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this hope radio for the masses headliner

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between July 8 1947 the Army Air Force

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has announced on applying there has been

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found and is now in the possession of

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the army the game is rigged change the

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game game changer I occasionally think

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how quickly our differences worldwide

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would vanish if we were facing an alien

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threat from outside this way

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this is fade to black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer radio

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network and kgraney

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I need your help to get to the year 1985

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you are listening to fade to black with

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Jimmy judge only Game Change in that

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the spoke radio for

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matt says

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how you do and how do you do it today's

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Tuesday November 19th 2019 three hundred

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and twenty three days into the new year

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just 42 days left we are live from a

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bunker somewhere in the middle of

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and I would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the United States

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hither and thither to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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and south far and near

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this is fade to black for KJ CR the game

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changer Network and K GRA the planet I

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what is crack and everybody how you

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doing all right this is night two of our

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four straight nights of your calls and

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questions with some of the best and

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brightest minds of our community tonight

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we welcome Travis Walton tomorrow night

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Whitney's stre burr right here Thursday

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night Richard Dolan that's a week that's

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a full week right there Travis Walton is

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back with us tonight very excited about

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okay welcome back fade to black I'm your

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host Jimmy Church you can follow me on

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twitter at JD o hashtag f2 B is the

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sandbox who can engage right there any

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questions or comments hashtag f2 b q on

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twitter email is jimmy at jimmy turns

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radio calm got to chat rooms open when

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it's Spreaker one over at kg ra the

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planet this is night two of our open

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straight nights of your calls and

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questions some of the best and brightest

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minds of our community tonight Travis

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Walton Travis Travis Waltons life

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changed on November 5th 1975 while

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working with the logging crew in the

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Arizona the Walton case received

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mainstream publicity and remains one of

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the best-known instances of alien

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abduction it is one of the very few

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cases where the entire time allegedly

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spent in the custody of aliens plays a

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rather minor role in the overall account

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what has Travis learned over the last 45

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abduction all of this tonight we're

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gonna get those answers in much more and

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I would like to welcome back to fade to

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Travis Walton Travis good evening man

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how are you I'm fine it's great to hear

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your voice I you know I had to say that

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it's just great to hear your voice

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everything good out there yeah well it

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started raining today but that's okay

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gotta have a little water now and then

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to sent some of it our way

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know everything is on fire right now and

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the one that the one thing right if we

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needed chemtrails if we needed if we

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needed some weather manipulation we need

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some rain right now so send it our way

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we can always use it but that being said

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drop its was up in the 70s and is going

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down into the 40s that's definitely a

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sign that this not always coming yeah

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you guys and where you're at even though

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Arizona are you guys you guys get

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seasons don't you yes we do and I just

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have to know when you guys get snow how

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much do you get I mean do you get

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snow angels or or toboggan runs or that

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places now I'm gonna jump straight into

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it and Travis because now we we get a

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chance to hang out at conferences all

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year long and and our conversations are

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always fun and it's great to hang out

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but and we do it so often you probably

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forget some of the conversations we've

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had over the years but this past year at

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the MUFON symposium which was held here

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sit down with a group of our friends in

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and at the restaurant and we sat and we

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talked and and it was this that struck

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me about our conversation which which

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you know I don't know if you remember

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but nonetheless you opened up and I

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forget the question that I asked I don't

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remember exactly what it was but you

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immediately opened up and were very

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passionate on subjects that not only

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myself but everybody at the table had

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never heard you discuss before and it

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got to the point where I almost couldn't

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stop you so I asked more questions that

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thought devised though

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this is something that the people need

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to hear from you and so by setting this

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up in that way do you feel that you've

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never really had the chance or the forum

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to to just be yourself and discuss

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things that you may have very valid

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opinions not completely you know I've

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really tried to just the facts just the

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facts sir you know right and you know

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stick with things that I can prove and

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things that have happened that I don't

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bring up just because I don't have the

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kind of documentation I have for

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everything else but I think some of the

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insight that I've gained in the last 44

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years is Robin and I you know I'll stick

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with the labeling it my opinion but

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still it's not just picking it out of

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the thin air you know this is something

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and thinking pretty deeply on this

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subject well let's let's start here

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let's start with today certainly with

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with the mainstream media and the

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efforts of different groups out there

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fluid exposure nearly daily of the UFO

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subject have you thought why this is

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happening now well I think you know that

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the government as wisely shifted

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position they're realizing that tamping

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damaging the reporting person's

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credibility it's damaging the

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government's credibility so they've

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decided to shift gears and go ahead and

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acknowledge certain things you know I'm

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sure they're not going to open up and

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tell us everything they know but there

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that they know that the average person

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doesn't know and but I don't I don't

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agree with a lot of the people who you

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know ascribe to the government every

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single motive is something sinister and

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contrary to our interests I don't agree

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with that I think that there's probably

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some good reasons for some of this

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secrecy and obviously if the government

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were to respond to the demands of the

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population please throw up on the books

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but make everything known that you know

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they're not just sharing with American

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citizens they're sharing with our

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enemies in the world and that's not

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that's not necessarily a good idea

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these other countries you know they have

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their inside information to a certain

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degree but we don't want them to know

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where they don't want us to know just

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how much they do know it's it's

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important to maintain the secret of how

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much we know because it implies a

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technological advantage in the event of

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a conflict so yeah why would it be in

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our interest to tell them everything we

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know so that they can judge whether they

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have harvested a bit more technology

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than we have well you certainly have had

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your share of ridicule and and people

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coming after you challenging your story

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and the community has experienced much

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the same and especially the community as

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a whole much of that has come out of

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Washington

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and and the Pentagon at this point how

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how much should we trust what is is

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happening because it seems to be an

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about-face

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so do we a trust and do we trust the

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about-face too as well

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well I think you know that the most of

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the people in our government they live

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here they have children here and I think

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most I would like to see America survive

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and do well and be safe and it doesn't

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make sense to me that they would align

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themselves with some evil group or

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nefarious plan on their plot because

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it's contrary to their own interests and

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I kind I really do think that there's

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until we find out otherwise and I'm sure

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there's plenty people are well hasten to

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enlighten me about just how evil they

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all are and how Alba the plot to take

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over the world is imminent but I don't

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agree you know it's just simple

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reasoning to say look these entities

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have been coming here for a very very

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long time there's a record of it going

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back into the past a long long time

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hundreds of years you know primitive

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people have recorded encounters and

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things that can only be understood in

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terms of the sort of visitor so my

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thinking is that if they wanted this

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planet exclusive of humans you know that

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we'd never know what hit us

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it'd already be done you know they've

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been here for so long and the

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technological advantage that they have

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over us is so great that you explain to

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me why what would they be holding back

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for you know they're going to drop the

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bomb the the big the big boom someday

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soon in it but that would mean while

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they're staying hidden I don't agree

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well it's a simple thing to say that if

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that was the agenda you and I wouldn't

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be talking right now and as far as any

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overt definite you know we don't have

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cases of these craft

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Dean destructive rays and or in any way

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you know doing any kind of overt an

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incontrovertible example of attempt

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stone to harm us sometimes things get

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misunderstood that that you know heck I

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initially I subscribed to the

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terminology of abduction and I thought

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of the the ray of energy that hit me as

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a deliberate attack but over the years

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it just took me a long time to figure

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out that that was probably not the case

280
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there was more compassion yeah I mean

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yeah rained I did something very risky

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very unexpected and and got myself hurt

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and the only entity in in a position to

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help me or rescue me was them Dara's

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hospital was an hour away the then

286
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there's another element to this and and

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although that I agree with much of what

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you're saying right now but there's this

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other message that seems to be

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underlying over the last couple of years

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on CNN and on Fox and in television and

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so forth from the Pentagon that it's

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it's a threat it's a threat we need to

294
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concern ourselves with that and in that

295
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word threat has been the prevailing vibe

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that has been projected why and you know

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why if you're trying to get tax dollars

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to go somewhere got a scare people I

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mean if he just says let's let's just

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look into this thing because it's a it's

301
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an intriguing curiosity you're not gonna

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get cooperation nearly as much as if you

303
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scare people and tell them look you know

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they're getting ready to take us all

305
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over and would would your message be

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over all that

307
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we don't have anything to fear well I

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see no evidence for it yet if somebody

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can show me real real evidence real

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evidence not just know I heard this

311
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story about this guy you know you know

312
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something that is documental I'm open to

313
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hear it you know just initially the

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description of what happened to me

315
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through sounded like an attack but it

316
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just took a while to figure out the

317
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situation we had a unique in whether you

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slash geological feature with the area

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there as being a place that has the

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highest frequency of lightning strikes

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over land any place in the United States

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now these things are recorded by

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satellite and so they they they can

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count them technologically and we have a

325
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very high rate of of lightning strikes

326
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here on this million rim it's just the

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way the upthrust of land there and the

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way the summer rain storms come across

329
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there but even the movie title fire in

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the sky is linked to this idea of the

331
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lightning strikes at a few months before

332
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this incident happened we were on our

333
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way to work and then we come across a

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tree they didn't hit by lightning the

335
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night before and it was on fire up high

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so that was one of the possibilities

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that we considered when we were

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approaching this glow coming through the

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trees could it have been another such

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lightning strike fire up there above

341
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above ground level and it's also relates

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to what were the aliens doing there in

343
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the first place you know the theory of

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some even some of the guys on the crew

345
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that this was some kind of a plot on

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their part

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to set a trap for one of us to capture

348
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doesn't really hold up if you look at

349
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the other possibility

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I did a an interview for with Rob Lowe

351
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for a TV show by him and his sons were

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out investigating various paranormal

353
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activities around the country and it was

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a two-part show and the second half of

355
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the show was about a lady that deals in

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crystals canola teen sells and buys

357
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these things and at these gem shows and

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various UFO conferences and stuff and

359
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the the thing that Rob Lowe said kind of

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caught me by surprise

361
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he said Travis says that the aliens were

362
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in the area

363
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hunting for fog you're right in Essen

364
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totally shocked me because I didn't even

365
00:19:49,820 --> 00:19:46,740
know what foggy right was right yeah but

366
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I went and looked it up online and photo

367
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right are crystals that are formed when

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lightning strikes the earth you've got

369
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millions of degrees and millions of

370
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volts of energy that are forming

371
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crystals that aren't formed geologically

372
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and have they claimed unique properties

373
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and had even less in the in the book

374
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about crystals that fulgurite is

375
00:20:19,789 --> 00:20:17,309
supposed to have some special properties

376
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in regard to enter dimensional matters

377
00:20:24,470 --> 00:20:22,500
and I'd like to research that a little

378
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further and figure out what do they mean

379
00:20:30,529 --> 00:20:28,230
by that but still it it it answered the

380
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question that I've had for so long about

381
00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:33,090
what were they doing there we had looked

382
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into underground water supplies there

383
00:20:40,659 --> 00:20:38,299
Turkey Springs the water was down on the

384
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lower end of the contract

385
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no various mineral deposits the the rim

386
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itself is a giant fault line plate

387
00:20:56,810 --> 00:20:54,299
tectonics that was one of the

388
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alternative explanations

389
00:21:02,810 --> 00:21:00,090
the a guy named dr. Persinger and came

390
00:21:04,610 --> 00:21:02,820
up with that well Travis can pass a

391
00:21:06,220 --> 00:21:04,620
lie-detector test because he believes it

392
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happened but he was hallucinating

393
00:21:11,300 --> 00:21:09,270
because these this blasts of energy came

394
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out of the ground there was plate

395
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:13,170
tectonics on what they call earthquake

396
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lights which electrocuted his brain in a

397
00:21:22,250 --> 00:21:19,650
way that made him listening but well

398
00:21:25,070 --> 00:21:22,260
there was no seismic correlation with

399
00:21:28,340 --> 00:21:25,080
any sort of sensors that are scattered

400
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over the area and on top of that we had

401
00:21:35,450 --> 00:21:31,410
six other men nearby that saw the same

402
00:21:40,070 --> 00:21:35,460
thing and didn't experience this blast

403
00:21:43,580 --> 00:21:40,080
of energy the the other part of this

404
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where we are talking about you know

405
00:21:49,130 --> 00:21:46,770
these these videos that the Navy pilots

406
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have seen certainly the high witness

407
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:52,710
accounts I have seen enough stuff you

408
00:21:59,090 --> 00:21:53,970
and I have talked about I've seen enough

409
00:22:00,650 --> 00:21:59,100
stuff that I can explain is this when

410
00:22:03,830 --> 00:22:00,660
we're talking about these whether it's

411
00:22:08,990 --> 00:22:03,840
plasma balls or physical craft or black

412
00:22:12,260 --> 00:22:09,000
triangles whatever it may be is this a

413
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:12,270
visitation that is happening right now I

414
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:15,120
mean as you and I are speaking are we

415
00:22:20,740 --> 00:22:18,930
being visited on this planet I believe

416
00:22:23,540 --> 00:22:20,750
they are I believe we are yes and

417
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:23,550
there's been a number of incidents and

418
00:22:30,620 --> 00:22:26,490
things that I've been privy to and heard

419
00:22:34,870 --> 00:22:30,630
from people about and but by the same

420
00:22:44,150 --> 00:22:39,160
acknowledge that not everything you hear

421
00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:44,160
in UFO conferences or whatever is of the

422
00:22:50,300 --> 00:22:45,840
same nature I think there's some things

423
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:50,310
that you know it's not all through I'm

424
00:22:54,260 --> 00:22:52,650
sorry but you know that's the way it is

425
00:22:57,650 --> 00:22:54,270
there there's a lot of good solid

426
00:23:01,070 --> 00:22:57,660
evidence out there and I think some of

427
00:23:04,460 --> 00:23:01,080
the stuff that's not sort of detracts

428
00:23:06,380 --> 00:23:04,470
from the value in the eyes of many

429
00:23:08,450 --> 00:23:06,390
people when they they sort of dismiss

430
00:23:10,790 --> 00:23:08,460
the whole thing if they can point to any

431
00:23:13,730 --> 00:23:10,800
story that's just totally outright

432
00:23:17,180 --> 00:23:13,740
rageous you know there are skyscrapers

433
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:17,190
on Venus or something you know and then

434
00:23:22,970 --> 00:23:19,050
they just laugh the whole subject off

435
00:23:26,180 --> 00:23:22,980
and so they're doing a basic truth a

436
00:23:30,500 --> 00:23:26,190
huge disservice by coming forward these

437
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:30,510
kind of stories there's so there's some

438
00:23:35,210 --> 00:23:31,890
stories you know I'm not saying

439
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:35,220
everybody that tells a story that isn't

440
00:23:43,460 --> 00:23:39,120
true is is fabricating it I think in

441
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:43,470
there are times when people experience

442
00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:46,770
something perhaps in a extremely vivid

443
00:23:50,750 --> 00:23:48,809
dream or some old altered state of

444
00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:50,760
consciousness that they sincerely

445
00:23:59,600 --> 00:23:55,200
believe is real but we really need to

446
00:24:02,540 --> 00:23:59,610
look for some sort of verifiable

447
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:02,550
connection some sort of evidence to to

448
00:24:08,120 --> 00:24:05,490
back it up now and well we're going to

449
00:24:10,100 --> 00:24:08,130
be heading to a break I want to get one

450
00:24:11,750 --> 00:24:10,110
more question before we get to the top

451
00:24:15,020 --> 00:24:11,760
of the hour we come back we'll open up

452
00:24:18,110 --> 00:24:15,030
the phone lines but when we talk about

453
00:24:21,380 --> 00:24:18,120
you know real contact and the

454
00:24:24,590 --> 00:24:21,390
possibility of abduction and and you

455
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:24,600
know face-to-face encounters there are

456
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:28,650
so many as probably millions of people

457
00:24:33,650 --> 00:24:30,240
that have spoken about this I don't know

458
00:24:35,210 --> 00:24:33,660
how big the number is but what I'm sure

459
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:35,220
you've thought about this and have

460
00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:37,290
looked into it because of your own

461
00:24:45,940 --> 00:24:41,760
experience what do we do with that is is

462
00:24:50,419 --> 00:24:45,950
it some kind of crazy mass psychosis

463
00:24:52,669 --> 00:24:50,429
shared dreams well not necessarily I I

464
00:24:56,500 --> 00:24:52,679
think there could be a core reality here

465
00:24:59,510 --> 00:24:56,510
that I'll explain when we come back but

466
00:25:00,980 --> 00:24:59,520
the other side of the coin about you

467
00:25:02,630 --> 00:25:00,990
know look for look for something

468
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:02,640
verifiable look for something to write

469
00:25:08,120 --> 00:25:05,850
it right you know the other side of that

470
00:25:10,669 --> 00:25:08,130
coin is absence of evidence is not

471
00:25:12,140 --> 00:25:10,679
evidence of absence you know just

472
00:25:14,450 --> 00:25:12,150
because you can't prove it doesn't prove

473
00:25:17,299 --> 00:25:14,460
that it's not true it's just that in

474
00:25:19,460 --> 00:25:17,309
order to impress our fellow man that

475
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:19,470
this is something needs to be taken

476
00:25:24,129 --> 00:25:22,050
serious well let's just stick to the

477
00:25:27,499 --> 00:25:24,139
stuff we can show them has good

478
00:25:30,979 --> 00:25:27,509
backings basis for it and I think

479
00:25:32,539 --> 00:25:30,989
that'll be in everybody's best interest

480
00:25:34,519 --> 00:25:32,549
and that doesn't mean the ones that

481
00:25:39,139 --> 00:25:34,529
can't produce that kind of hard core

482
00:25:41,869 --> 00:25:39,149
evidence are not real events I'm just

483
00:25:46,789 --> 00:25:41,879
saying let's look for the ones that you

484
00:25:49,129 --> 00:25:46,799
can document to get the general public

485
00:25:51,799 --> 00:25:49,139
to take it more seriously and you know

486
00:25:53,810 --> 00:25:51,809
it always comes down to that one you

487
00:25:56,629 --> 00:25:53,820
know basic question about evidence and

488
00:26:00,619 --> 00:25:56,639
and what somebody can prove and this is

489
00:26:04,669 --> 00:26:00,629
what's strange to me somewhere out there

490
00:26:08,539 --> 00:26:04,679
there is a planet with a spacecraft that

491
00:26:10,970 --> 00:26:08,549
arrived and they got off and went so

492
00:26:17,739 --> 00:26:10,980
check it out we got Travis Waltons shirt

493
00:26:23,779 --> 00:26:21,139
well I'll tell you I'll tell you yeah

494
00:26:27,469 --> 00:26:23,789
you know and that's that's the that's

495
00:26:29,269 --> 00:26:27,479
the one thing that you know skeptics or

496
00:26:30,769 --> 00:26:29,279
debunkers or whatever will always come

497
00:26:34,849 --> 00:26:30,779
forward and say well what have you got

498
00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:34,859
what were you able to what was and that

499
00:26:40,639 --> 00:26:37,440
that question when it comes to me it

500
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:40,649
doesn't change my experience Travis yeah

501
00:26:44,930 --> 00:26:42,450
well here's the thing you know these are

502
00:26:46,519 --> 00:26:44,940
people act like this is absolute this is

503
00:26:48,139 --> 00:26:46,529
what I have to have in order to believe

504
00:26:51,409 --> 00:26:48,149
something now wait a minute

505
00:26:55,430 --> 00:26:51,419
you know dr. harder pointed out that if

506
00:26:56,329 --> 00:26:55,440
you had six people saying that they had

507
00:26:57,950 --> 00:26:56,339
witnessed murder

508
00:26:59,509 --> 00:26:57,960
you know that was one of the sheriff's

509
00:27:03,499 --> 00:26:59,519
of initial theories if they had come in

510
00:27:05,599 --> 00:27:03,509
and said yeah yeah we saw Alan kill

511
00:27:07,489 --> 00:27:05,609
Travis out there you know that's an

512
00:27:11,450 --> 00:27:07,499
open-and-shut case if you've got six

513
00:27:14,239 --> 00:27:11,460
witnesses testifying to that and you're

514
00:27:16,599 --> 00:27:14,249
not in the absence of polygraph test but

515
00:27:20,959 --> 00:27:16,609
you know six witnesses and pass

516
00:27:23,269 --> 00:27:20,969
lie-detector tests on top of that didn't

517
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:23,279
it would be accepted if you were

518
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:24,960
discussing murder I mean this is a death

519
00:27:28,729 --> 00:27:26,369
penalty case you're gonna put somebody

520
00:27:31,879 --> 00:27:28,739
to death on the basis of the testimony

521
00:27:34,099 --> 00:27:31,889
of six witnesses and then suddenly if it

522
00:27:36,649 --> 00:27:34,109
involves aliens oh now we got all these

523
00:27:38,150 --> 00:27:36,659
elements of doubt that with me we just

524
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:38,160
have to consider you

525
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:40,770
would any of these debunkers like to

526
00:27:47,180 --> 00:27:44,570
stand trial by a group of their peers

527
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:47,190
with those kind of standards you know

528
00:27:53,930 --> 00:27:51,090
all we got to do right is yeah no you're

529
00:27:58,550 --> 00:27:53,940
absolutely right and that was the one

530
00:28:01,180 --> 00:27:58,560
thing about the way the way that it

531
00:28:04,820 --> 00:28:01,190
played out on that first night and and

532
00:28:09,290 --> 00:28:04,830
the interrogations that were going down

533
00:28:12,890 --> 00:28:09,300
at the at the bar that as soon as they

534
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:12,900
brought up flying saucers right that

535
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:15,770
changed the dynamic of everything and

536
00:28:20,900 --> 00:28:18,330
you're you're you're absolutely right

537
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:20,910
about that part of it and what if see

538
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:23,610
this is the thing what if you didn't

539
00:28:29,650 --> 00:28:27,120
come back well I think somebody would

540
00:28:32,060 --> 00:28:29,660
have been under suspicion murder for

541
00:28:35,030 --> 00:28:32,070
maybe even gone down for it I don't

542
00:28:37,910 --> 00:28:35,040
write you know these they might need a

543
00:28:40,580 --> 00:28:37,920
body but you know all they'd have to do

544
00:28:42,590 --> 00:28:40,590
is get one of the crudest you point a

545
00:28:47,210 --> 00:28:42,600
finger and one of the others too just to

546
00:28:49,910 --> 00:28:47,220
get get the harassment off is back but

547
00:28:52,490 --> 00:28:49,920
the the standard of evidence needs to be

548
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:52,500
sort of more uniform in what we consider

549
00:28:57,890 --> 00:28:55,770
you know we need tremendously greater

550
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:57,900
standard of evidence for something

551
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:01,440
involving life under the world let's

552
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:06,290
take on that we would take to you know

553
00:29:10,190 --> 00:29:08,130
convict someone of murder

554
00:29:12,350 --> 00:29:10,200
yeah and we're getting very possibly

555
00:29:14,540 --> 00:29:12,360
execute yeah we're getting closer to it

556
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:14,550
too that's the other part and we'll talk

557
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:16,530
about all of this when we come back our

558
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:18,930
guest tonight is Travis Walton this is

559
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:21,810
night two of our open lines night so I'm

560
00:29:27,380 --> 00:29:23,250
going to open up the phone lines now

561
00:29:29,900 --> 00:29:27,390
seven four seven two two eight two zero

562
00:29:31,310 --> 00:29:29,910
five one seven four seven two two eight

563
00:29:33,290 --> 00:29:31,320
two zero five one our guest tonight

564
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:33,300
Travis Walton I'm your host Jimmy Church

565
00:29:39,020 --> 00:29:35,250
this is fade to black I'm the game

566
00:29:40,020 --> 00:29:39,030
changer network and kgr a the planet

567
00:29:59,670 --> 00:29:40,030
stay with us

568
00:30:01,890 --> 00:29:59,680
[Music]

569
00:30:04,290 --> 00:30:01,900
all right welcome back fade to black I'm

570
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:04,300
Remy church tonight is night two of our

571
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:06,210
open lines week here on fade to black

572
00:30:11,730 --> 00:30:08,770
tonight Travis Walton tomorrow night

573
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:11,740
witnessed Reaver Thursday night Richard

574
00:30:17,850 --> 00:30:14,650
Dolan an amazing week here on fade to

575
00:30:19,380 --> 00:30:17,860
black tonight it's Travis and Travis

576
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:19,390
right before the break we started to

577
00:30:27,210 --> 00:30:22,930
talk about abductions and in direct

578
00:30:30,930 --> 00:30:27,220
contact with all of these accounts and

579
00:30:33,510 --> 00:30:30,940
you said you had you had a theory yeah

580
00:30:37,110 --> 00:30:33,520
well you know one of the first things

581
00:30:38,970 --> 00:30:37,120
that skeptics ask is is why don't they

582
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:38,980
just land on the White House lawn and

583
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:41,530
say here we are mr. president well

584
00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:45,850
there's a good reason not to and here's

585
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:48,880
the deal they could do that what do you

586
00:30:53,130 --> 00:30:50,650
think the consequences would be

587
00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:53,140
we've already had examples where these

588
00:30:57,690 --> 00:30:55,120
you know sightings near the White House

589
00:31:01,890 --> 00:30:57,700
or military installations provoked some

590
00:31:06,210 --> 00:31:01,900
rather panicked reactions violent

591
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:06,220
response actually but I don't think it's

592
00:31:15,870 --> 00:31:08,290
they really have anything to fear from

593
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:15,880
us I think their avoidance of giving us

594
00:31:23,550 --> 00:31:19,570
anything conclusively proof of their

595
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:23,560
presence is part of the plan it's for

596
00:31:27,300 --> 00:31:25,570
our own good though they're not it's not

597
00:31:29,010 --> 00:31:27,310
nefarious it's not like they're hiding

598
00:31:31,950 --> 00:31:29,020
from us because they have some sinister

599
00:31:34,260 --> 00:31:31,960
plan to take over the earth I think it's

600
00:31:37,380 --> 00:31:34,270
very similar to what those science

601
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:37,390
fiction created with the so-called prime

602
00:31:45,150 --> 00:31:40,650
directive or non-interference directive

603
00:31:47,460 --> 00:31:45,160
you know it's analogous to the early

604
00:31:50,130 --> 00:31:47,470
explorers sailing across the ocean blue

605
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:50,140
in almost every case where a more

606
00:31:55,470 --> 00:31:52,570
advanced culture encountered a less

607
00:31:57,570 --> 00:31:55,480
advanced one it amounted to the

608
00:32:02,520 --> 00:31:57,580
destruction of the less advanced culture

609
00:32:05,070 --> 00:32:02,530
and it's not helpful as much as we would

610
00:32:12,260 --> 00:32:05,080
love the idea free energy or some cool

611
00:32:15,210 --> 00:32:12,270
new technology it's it's not to our

612
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:15,220
to our benefit for that to happen that

613
00:32:19,740 --> 00:32:18,130
kind of technology can easily backfire

614
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:19,750
you know it's the equivalent of the

615
00:32:24,870 --> 00:32:21,970
alien saying here's a brand new box of

616
00:32:27,510 --> 00:32:24,880
matches now go play right um you know we

617
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:27,520
haven't handled as some of the

618
00:32:32,970 --> 00:32:29,650
technology that we have is a little bit

619
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:32,980
ahead of our wisdom and that's what I

620
00:32:39,330 --> 00:32:35,290
think the aliens are waiting on wisdom

621
00:32:42,690 --> 00:32:39,340
some common sense and development that

622
00:32:46,410 --> 00:32:42,700
we you know at any moment if we chose to

623
00:32:49,890 --> 00:32:46,420
display that to them that we do have the

624
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:49,900
ability to treat each other better treat

625
00:32:58,320 --> 00:32:52,210
the planet better those kinds of things

626
00:33:01,320 --> 00:32:58,330
that that we you know so unimpressed

627
00:33:03,510 --> 00:33:01,330
about by going to the other direction

628
00:33:06,660 --> 00:33:03,520
certainly and that's the one message

629
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:06,670
that we could understand right that

630
00:33:14,790 --> 00:33:08,730
that's something that we absolutely

631
00:33:18,330 --> 00:33:14,800
could relate to a technology or the

632
00:33:21,090 --> 00:33:18,340
answer of life or the the universe our

633
00:33:24,660 --> 00:33:21,100
technologies and an understanding that

634
00:33:26,610 --> 00:33:24,670
would be completely beyond us and yeah

635
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:26,620
well you know astro physicist Michio

636
00:33:32,430 --> 00:33:29,650
Kaku made a remark doing an interview

637
00:33:34,350 --> 00:33:32,440
saying no people keep imagining that

638
00:33:36,090 --> 00:33:34,360
these civilizations might be a few

639
00:33:37,890 --> 00:33:36,100
hundred years ahead of us but they could

640
00:33:39,810 --> 00:33:37,900
literally be hundreds of thousands or

641
00:33:41,490 --> 00:33:39,820
millions of years out of us right right

642
00:33:43,970 --> 00:33:41,500
and when you think about that in terms

643
00:33:47,130 --> 00:33:43,980
of just about everything

644
00:33:50,130 --> 00:33:47,140
technological that humans have is a few

645
00:33:57,660 --> 00:33:50,140
hundred years old prior to that the best

646
00:34:00,960 --> 00:33:57,670
we had was fire and so and then the

647
00:34:02,820 --> 00:34:00,970
technology that we've developed in the

648
00:34:05,130 --> 00:34:02,830
last few hundred years has been very

649
00:34:10,050 --> 00:34:05,140
destructive of the planet of each other

650
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:10,060
and certainly it's not their idea of

651
00:34:17,070 --> 00:34:13,090
helping us to give us better ways to

652
00:34:19,470 --> 00:34:17,080
harm each other or the planet I wanted

653
00:34:21,149 --> 00:34:19,480
to ask you this before we get to the

654
00:34:24,010 --> 00:34:21,159
phones and everybody that's on hold stay

655
00:34:29,700 --> 00:34:24,020
right there we'll get to everybody

656
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:29,710
is is this you did encounter an advanced

657
00:34:37,690 --> 00:34:35,450
culture did you did you relate to what

658
00:34:41,129 --> 00:34:37,700
you were seeing I mean or was it just

659
00:34:43,780 --> 00:34:41,139
totally just beyond your comprehension

660
00:34:45,700 --> 00:34:43,790
well at the time it was beyond my

661
00:34:47,740 --> 00:34:45,710
understanding because I interpreted the

662
00:34:49,810 --> 00:34:47,750
whole thing is totally threatening you

663
00:34:52,030 --> 00:34:49,820
know I'm in the in the clutches of

664
00:34:54,190 --> 00:34:52,040
monsters and all this pain and this

665
00:34:55,030 --> 00:34:54,200
feeling of injury is due to them it's

666
00:34:58,240 --> 00:34:55,040
all their fault

667
00:35:00,190 --> 00:34:58,250
and I was incorrectly blaming them for

668
00:35:03,430 --> 00:35:00,200
something that I was actually in my own

669
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:03,440
fault and they were actually trying to

670
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:06,890
help and I was doing my best ik keeping

671
00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:09,290
from from being successful that helping

672
00:35:16,630 --> 00:35:12,320
me yeah and I think it was arthur c

673
00:35:19,690 --> 00:35:16,640
clarke that said it or somebody you know

674
00:35:24,060 --> 00:35:19,700
a technology way more advanced than our

675
00:35:27,579 --> 00:35:24,070
own would seem like magic and would

676
00:35:30,220 --> 00:35:27,589
would you say that that's quite possibly

677
00:35:33,630 --> 00:35:30,230
what as you looked around and we're

678
00:35:36,940 --> 00:35:33,640
trying to understand this was stuff that

679
00:35:39,609 --> 00:35:36,950
obviously you've never seen before did

680
00:35:42,490 --> 00:35:39,619
it seem you know a little magical to you

681
00:35:45,130 --> 00:35:42,500
are you that incomprehensible certainly

682
00:35:48,060 --> 00:35:45,140
you know i couldn't interpret it in

683
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:48,070
terms of you know I wasn't completely

684
00:35:52,180 --> 00:35:50,450
technologically ignorant you know as far

685
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:52,190
as earth and human technology is

686
00:35:56,859 --> 00:35:54,290
concerned but right this was new stuff

687
00:35:58,870 --> 00:35:56,869
that I didn't really understand so I can

688
00:36:02,320 --> 00:35:58,880
only speculate about what it actually

689
00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:02,330
meant right but it did take me years to

690
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:06,320
figure out that hey it wasn't correct

691
00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:08,810
that I was assuming that this pain this

692
00:36:12,700 --> 00:36:10,880
may injured feelings you know I felt

693
00:36:16,089 --> 00:36:12,710
mortally wounded I felt like I was dying

694
00:36:18,250 --> 00:36:16,099
that was their fault you know it took me

695
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:18,260
a while to realize it was my fault you

696
00:36:27,990 --> 00:36:23,890
ready to start taking some calls Travis

697
00:36:30,490 --> 00:36:28,000
yeah ready to start taking some calls

698
00:36:32,890 --> 00:36:30,500
okay let's do it we didn't even talk

699
00:36:33,550 --> 00:36:32,900
ATAR we're gonna talk ATAR before the

700
00:36:36,099 --> 00:36:33,560
end of the show

701
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:36,109
hi hi you're live i'm fade to black

702
00:36:41,940 --> 00:36:38,640
who's calling

703
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:41,950
your life hey this is Bob Payton's Bob

704
00:36:47,550 --> 00:36:44,530
from Alabama hey Bob from Alabama say hi

705
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:47,560
to Travis hey Travis thank you so much

706
00:36:51,330 --> 00:36:49,090
for taking my call and Jimmy what a

707
00:36:53,940 --> 00:36:51,340
great Lee you've got going Travis you

708
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:53,950
know I've loved DB sweeney and Robert

709
00:36:57,630 --> 00:36:55,810
Patrick and James Garner and all those

710
00:37:00,810 --> 00:36:57,640
guys in the movies but I've often

711
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:00,820
wondered surely there's one piece of

712
00:37:06,660 --> 00:37:03,610
that movie that really sticks in your

713
00:37:11,940 --> 00:37:06,670
craw as they got it completely wrong

714
00:37:14,580 --> 00:37:11,950
I wondered what yeah yeah and you know

715
00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:14,590
overall I have to be grateful that a

716
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:16,480
movie was made it got people interested

717
00:37:23,190 --> 00:37:21,520
in looking for the real truth but you

718
00:37:26,270 --> 00:37:23,200
know there were minor changes things

719
00:37:28,890 --> 00:37:26,280
that didn't really materially affect

720
00:37:30,810 --> 00:37:28,900
what the basic story like for instance

721
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:30,820
reducing the number of crewmen from

722
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:34,210
seven you know that doesn't really you

723
00:37:38,700 --> 00:37:35,290
know that's certainly not an

724
00:37:42,030 --> 00:37:38,710
embellishment but the one thing aboard

725
00:37:47,220 --> 00:37:42,040
the craft where the aliens were depicted

726
00:37:51,420 --> 00:37:47,230
as you know monsters was pushing you

727
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:51,430
know my take on it at the time to the

728
00:37:57,570 --> 00:37:55,450
very highest degree that that's one

729
00:38:00,540 --> 00:37:57,580
thing Hollywood does when the aliens

730
00:38:03,870 --> 00:38:00,550
were depicted without clothing it's much

731
00:38:07,290 --> 00:38:03,880
easier to display them as monsters you

732
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:07,300
know they're beasts you know if they

733
00:38:13,710 --> 00:38:10,090
were wearing suits and they might be you

734
00:38:16,430 --> 00:38:13,720
know civilized but a lot of stuff went

735
00:38:20,010 --> 00:38:16,440
on there there was one one

736
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:20,020
fictionalization in that sequence aboard

737
00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:21,760
the craft that was actually an

738
00:38:25,980 --> 00:38:23,680
improvement even though it didn't happen

739
00:38:29,010 --> 00:38:25,990
and that was the scene where the

740
00:38:30,660 --> 00:38:29,020
membrane is over DB Sweeney's face he's

741
00:38:32,370 --> 00:38:30,670
struggling to scream through it

742
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:32,380
struggling to breathe through it the

743
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:35,290
feeling of suffocation generates a panic

744
00:38:40,530 --> 00:38:37,450
that's beyond comprehension

745
00:38:43,170 --> 00:38:40,540
well there was no membrane but I did

746
00:38:46,290 --> 00:38:43,180
experience that feeling of suffocation I

747
00:38:48,930 --> 00:38:46,300
couldn't get enough air and the panic

748
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:48,940
that came about was so intense people

749
00:38:51,269 --> 00:38:50,890
were saying oh I wouldn't be that scared

750
00:38:56,599 --> 00:38:51,279
you know

751
00:38:59,069 --> 00:38:56,609
degree of fear that I felt

752
00:39:01,859 --> 00:38:59,079
there you go Bob Bob thank you for the

753
00:39:07,499 --> 00:39:01,869
phone call man Thank You Jimmy have a

754
00:39:10,409 --> 00:39:07,509
great night I wanted to ask you I never

755
00:39:16,109 --> 00:39:10,419
asked you about this before do you ever

756
00:39:16,649 --> 00:39:16,119
get a chance lately since to talk to DB

757
00:39:19,789 --> 00:39:16,659
sweeney

758
00:39:22,919 --> 00:39:19,799
and hang out and talk about the movie I

759
00:39:24,779 --> 00:39:22,929
have on occasion but not real recently

760
00:39:26,489 --> 00:39:24,789
probably the most recent encounter has

761
00:39:29,579 --> 00:39:26,499
been with some of the other actors but

762
00:39:32,189 --> 00:39:29,589
you know it was it was pretty cool you

763
00:39:36,349 --> 00:39:32,199
know encountering James Garner he was he

764
00:39:40,979 --> 00:39:36,359
was really cool you know called me aside

765
00:39:42,839 --> 00:39:40,989
and wanted to tell me that look I

766
00:39:44,549 --> 00:39:42,849
haven't playing the part of a skeptic

767
00:39:46,789 --> 00:39:44,559
but I just wanted to let you know that I

768
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:46,799
do believe you guys yeah and what about

769
00:39:55,079 --> 00:39:50,650
let's give the same thing about DB how

770
00:39:57,839 --> 00:39:55,089
had did the movie affect him and did he

771
00:40:01,199 --> 00:39:57,849
have any opinions on the UFO question

772
00:40:03,779 --> 00:40:01,209
well I haven't really questioned him

773
00:40:05,849 --> 00:40:03,789
that much they all of them in interviews

774
00:40:08,789 --> 00:40:05,859
have been pressed well what do you think

775
00:40:10,819 --> 00:40:08,799
you know right and that all they do is

776
00:40:13,499 --> 00:40:10,829
quote the evidence there's plenty of

777
00:40:16,289 --> 00:40:13,509
reports and this it's something they say

778
00:40:17,849 --> 00:40:16,299
well why not right let's go back to the

779
00:40:20,789 --> 00:40:17,859
phones hi you're live on fade to black

780
00:40:23,249 --> 00:40:20,799
who's calling hi Jimmy it's Dave from

781
00:40:26,399 --> 00:40:23,259
Sacramento hi Deb how are you say hi to

782
00:40:28,109 --> 00:40:26,409
say how to Travis I am honored Travis to

783
00:40:30,269 --> 00:40:28,119
be able to actually speak to you you

784
00:40:32,429 --> 00:40:30,279
know and I even hear the words Travis

785
00:40:35,159 --> 00:40:32,439
Walton three words come to my mind and

786
00:40:38,130 --> 00:40:35,169
that is compassion integrity and honesty

787
00:40:41,370 --> 00:40:38,140
so it is an honor to speak with you well

788
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:41,380
thank you very much what you got Damle

789
00:40:47,159 --> 00:40:45,249
well my question is after Eurex well all

790
00:40:48,269 --> 00:40:47,169
these years since your experience and

791
00:40:50,999 --> 00:40:48,279
everything that you know and you've

792
00:40:55,169 --> 00:40:51,009
learned did that experience change your

793
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:55,179
worldview on God and what happens to us

794
00:41:00,260 --> 00:40:57,210
after we die

795
00:41:03,070 --> 00:41:00,270
well I think that's an a question that I

796
00:41:06,370 --> 00:41:03,080
have encountered quite a number of times

797
00:41:09,100 --> 00:41:06,380
so many people assume that just

798
00:41:12,050 --> 00:41:09,110
acknowledging for certain that there is

799
00:41:14,090 --> 00:41:12,060
more advanced technology out there that

800
00:41:17,450 --> 00:41:14,100
it would somehow call into question the

801
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:17,460
existence of God and I say no so what we

802
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:22,650
got you know and you know you're selling

803
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:25,970
God short right you know creation is is

804
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:29,610
infinite the word infinite is used in

805
00:41:34,670 --> 00:41:32,370
the Bible and if you think it only you

806
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:34,680
know all of creation is encompassed in

807
00:41:38,750 --> 00:41:37,200
just earth and that if it's not

808
00:41:41,210 --> 00:41:38,760
mentioned in the Bible it doesn't exist

809
00:41:43,240 --> 00:41:41,220
I I think you you know you need to

810
00:41:45,350 --> 00:41:43,250
broaden your horizons a bit you know

811
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:45,360
American Indians are mentioned in the

812
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:47,970
Bible Antarctica's not mentioned in the

813
00:41:53,330 --> 00:41:51,450
Bible you know just figure something not

814
00:41:57,130 --> 00:41:53,340
in there doesn't mean that it's a false

815
00:42:02,510 --> 00:41:57,140
document or anything like that I have

816
00:42:08,570 --> 00:42:02,520
actually shown a video of a song by a

817
00:42:11,630 --> 00:42:08,580
group called Hillsong called 100 billion

818
00:42:13,820 --> 00:42:11,640
ex and it's basically you know a praise

819
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:13,830
God sort of thing and that's referring

820
00:42:22,510 --> 00:42:17,970
to the vastness creation and the idea

821
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:22,520
that creation in encompass planets and

822
00:42:30,530 --> 00:42:27,690
galaxies and such things and so just to

823
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:30,540
help people understand that that in no

824
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:35,610
way detracts from that but I know that

825
00:42:41,420 --> 00:42:38,400
you've followed and dead stay right

826
00:42:44,090 --> 00:42:41,430
there I know that you you know follow

827
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:44,100
what's going on out there and Tom

828
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:51,050
DeLonge on this program Travis quite

829
00:43:01,100 --> 00:42:54,570
stressed that there was a religious

830
00:43:04,780 --> 00:43:01,110
component to ET and for everyone to be

831
00:43:08,570 --> 00:43:04,790
careful about this and that there are

832
00:43:10,670 --> 00:43:08,580
those in the Pentagon in the military

833
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:10,680
that understand this

834
00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:13,170
their own Christianity and their own

835
00:43:19,660 --> 00:43:16,560
religious side of them comes into play

836
00:43:21,970 --> 00:43:19,670
when those kinds of statements are made

837
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:21,980
through your own experience certainly

838
00:43:30,350 --> 00:43:24,480
what do you make of that is there a

839
00:43:31,970 --> 00:43:30,360
religious component to to UFOs and ET of

840
00:43:33,770 --> 00:43:31,980
course you know I'm not saying that

841
00:43:35,210 --> 00:43:33,780
they're totally separate and distinct

842
00:43:38,090 --> 00:43:35,220
and if you think of one you can't think

843
00:43:39,590 --> 00:43:38,100
of the other I think guys was just

844
00:43:43,610 --> 00:43:39,600
saying you know people are limiting

845
00:43:50,150 --> 00:43:43,620
their thinking but my own personal

846
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:50,160
belief is that the actual truth of the

847
00:44:01,720 --> 00:43:54,530
almighty whatever spiritual powers exist

848
00:44:07,610 --> 00:44:05,450
individual sects I mean if the various

849
00:44:11,180 --> 00:44:07,620
religions on earth don't have things in

850
00:44:14,330 --> 00:44:11,190
common then what are we talking about

851
00:44:17,090 --> 00:44:14,340
here you know right stuff the separation

852
00:44:20,230 --> 00:44:17,100
and the division is not constructive its

853
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:20,240
destructive and is that the root of much

854
00:44:27,460 --> 00:44:22,800
violence in the world today well what

855
00:44:30,830 --> 00:44:27,470
about the the flipside of that you and I

856
00:44:34,430 --> 00:44:30,840
we we hitch a ride right on some

857
00:44:36,980 --> 00:44:34,440
starship right we take off and we visit

858
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:36,990
their planet and we step off and say

859
00:44:43,130 --> 00:44:39,210
hello to everybody I mean are we gonna

860
00:44:46,540 --> 00:44:43,140
see a church right you know to be is

861
00:44:51,230 --> 00:44:46,550
there going to be the God Jesus

862
00:44:53,300 --> 00:44:51,240
component throughout the universe well

863
00:44:56,720 --> 00:44:53,310
I'm sure there are some people would say

864
00:45:00,680 --> 00:44:56,730
heck yeah but I would say I don't know

865
00:45:06,830 --> 00:45:00,690
you know just how this the truth about

866
00:45:09,470 --> 00:45:06,840
creation and the whole giant picture all

867
00:45:12,620 --> 00:45:09,480
fits together is something that I think

868
00:45:14,210 --> 00:45:12,630
we don't know yet and probably because

869
00:45:21,350 --> 00:45:14,220
we're not ready for it

870
00:45:24,770 --> 00:45:21,360
and we need to be worthy of larger

871
00:45:27,500 --> 00:45:24,780
truths and and capable of handle

872
00:45:30,110 --> 00:45:27,510
yeah yeah I'll tell you people are gonna

873
00:45:32,330 --> 00:45:30,120
be so resistant to anything other than

874
00:45:33,580 --> 00:45:32,340
what they already think Deb thank you

875
00:45:36,530 --> 00:45:33,590
for the phone call

876
00:45:39,590 --> 00:45:36,540
thank you thanks guys thank you so much

877
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:39,600
Travis thank you yeah great phone call

878
00:45:46,010 --> 00:45:41,520
right there and Travis you know you

879
00:45:48,740 --> 00:45:46,020
bring up you know the it said so much

880
00:45:50,450 --> 00:45:48,750
and I hate saying it but the the you

881
00:45:54,460 --> 00:45:50,460
know the flying sauce on the White House

882
00:45:59,330 --> 00:45:54,470
lawn but let's say it does happen and

883
00:46:02,000 --> 00:45:59,340
the stair steps fold down and we're all

884
00:46:04,910 --> 00:46:02,010
watching and it's live on TV and then we

885
00:46:07,070 --> 00:46:04,920
see the beans feet and then we start to

886
00:46:10,130 --> 00:46:07,080
see his torso and he's coming down the

887
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:10,140
stairs and then we see his face and it's

888
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:15,090
Jesus what did we do with that you know

889
00:46:22,820 --> 00:46:18,810
and and my and I've often thought about

890
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:22,830
that and wouldn't that be the first

891
00:46:28,130 --> 00:46:25,200
series of questions because certainly

892
00:46:32,300 --> 00:46:28,140
the Vatican is on board with this right

893
00:46:34,370 --> 00:46:32,310
now yeah yeah the Vatican did finally

894
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:34,380
come forward you know you remember that

895
00:46:38,450 --> 00:46:36,330
with the history of Galileo he was

896
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:38,460
actually you know under severe

897
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:41,280
condemnation from the church for saying

898
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:43,200
that there were even planets out there

899
00:46:49,610 --> 00:46:47,490
and I'm house-arrest all kinds of

900
00:46:52,060 --> 00:46:49,620
serious consequences but eventually they

901
00:46:57,590 --> 00:46:52,070
came around to apologizing for that and

902
00:47:02,630 --> 00:46:57,600
it wasn't always been a few years but my

903
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:02,640
son was dating a Catholic girl and her

904
00:47:08,210 --> 00:47:05,010
priest called her aside and said you got

905
00:47:11,270 --> 00:47:08,220
to get away from that boy his father has

906
00:47:12,500 --> 00:47:11,280
been consorting with demons and so she

907
00:47:15,530 --> 00:47:12,510
broke up with him and that was the end

908
00:47:18,500 --> 00:47:15,540
of that relationship no really it was

909
00:47:20,660 --> 00:47:18,510
only a matter of weeks or months after

910
00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:20,670
that that the Vatican came out and said

911
00:47:25,130 --> 00:47:23,760
there's absolutely no sin whatsoever in

912
00:47:27,470 --> 00:47:25,140
believing that there's life on other

913
00:47:31,150 --> 00:47:27,480
worlds and did they even say that they

914
00:47:34,700 --> 00:47:31,160
would baptize ET right there's something

915
00:47:36,329 --> 00:47:34,710
some comment like that ET deserves to

916
00:47:38,279 --> 00:47:36,339
have a baptism too

917
00:47:40,349 --> 00:47:38,289
and we would welcome that it was some

918
00:47:43,170 --> 00:47:40,359
comment like that I thought it seems

919
00:47:45,299 --> 00:47:43,180
like they know something seems like they

920
00:47:48,180 --> 00:47:45,309
know much of this stuff is speculative

921
00:47:51,390 --> 00:47:48,190
and unproven and you know even if they

922
00:47:54,150 --> 00:47:51,400
have inside information how do we verify

923
00:47:56,489 --> 00:47:54,160
it you know yeah you're right after

924
00:47:58,529 --> 00:47:56,499
everything they did to Galileo and now

925
00:47:58,979 --> 00:47:58,539
they own observatories all over the

926
00:48:01,799 --> 00:47:58,989
world

927
00:48:03,569 --> 00:48:01,809
right it's let's go back to the phones

928
00:48:06,599 --> 00:48:03,579
hi you're live on fade to black who's

929
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:06,609
calling this is Walter

930
00:48:14,609 --> 00:48:11,890
hey hey Walt Walton Travis Walton all

931
00:48:20,489 --> 00:48:14,619
right I got some history I got some news

932
00:48:24,569 --> 00:48:20,499
for you Travis yeah yeah I told you

933
00:48:27,029 --> 00:48:24,579
about you know what that word very hate

934
00:48:29,039 --> 00:48:27,039
you about the helicopter thing and you

935
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:29,049
kind of change your idea around what

936
00:48:36,630 --> 00:48:31,359
happened but here's some news for you 9

937
00:48:39,959 --> 00:48:36,640
kinks 1955 and 1965 two things in my

938
00:48:43,049 --> 00:48:39,969
life that were really unlike 35 I was

939
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:43,059
abducted I saw two types of aliens a

940
00:48:48,450 --> 00:48:46,690
tall and too short and I can describe

941
00:48:48,900 --> 00:48:48,460
them to this day and something you never

942
00:48:53,370 --> 00:48:48,910
forget

943
00:48:56,069 --> 00:48:53,380
in 1965 I had a teacher that was the

944
00:48:59,729 --> 00:48:56,079
brother-in-law of Phil Corso I was

945
00:49:01,700 --> 00:48:59,739
friends with his nephew and I was

946
00:49:05,670 --> 00:49:01,710
clearing the second information back in

947
00:49:08,009 --> 00:49:05,680
1965 that took also live in his book and

948
00:49:11,279 --> 00:49:08,019
a lot of people like standing for men

949
00:49:13,979 --> 00:49:11,289
used to them and said it was all funny

950
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:13,989
though it was funny why did I get the

951
00:49:25,739 --> 00:49:17,650
same information back in 65 that he will

952
00:49:28,049 --> 00:49:25,749
in 1997 well Stan Freeman was a great

953
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:28,059
friend of mine and I feel his loss

954
00:49:36,269 --> 00:49:33,249
deeply and he did a great deal of good

955
00:49:38,130 --> 00:49:36,279
for the field of ufology but I didn't

956
00:49:41,819 --> 00:49:38,140
agree with him on every single point you

957
00:49:45,209 --> 00:49:41,829
know there was a few places where I

958
00:49:46,969 --> 00:49:45,219
didn't agree but that's neither here nor

959
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:46,979
there it doesn't have to be 100 percent

960
00:49:52,690 --> 00:49:50,210
to be quite beneficial that he didn't

961
00:49:55,300 --> 00:49:52,700
good work yeah I couldn't agree with you

962
00:49:58,300 --> 00:49:55,310
more Travis and I butted heads with him

963
00:50:01,570 --> 00:49:58,310
I look so much respect he was so much

964
00:50:06,220 --> 00:50:01,580
fun to hang out with and and just a

965
00:50:08,589 --> 00:50:06,230
genuine guy and he could be insanely

966
00:50:11,109 --> 00:50:08,599
funny as well he had a great sense of

967
00:50:14,109 --> 00:50:11,119
humor but I butted heads with him too

968
00:50:20,410 --> 00:50:14,119
and I was so intimidated I chickened out

969
00:50:22,510 --> 00:50:20,420
Travis you know I give him lots of

970
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:22,520
credit for you know he was one of the

971
00:50:27,370 --> 00:50:24,890
few researchers who actually came to

972
00:50:30,310 --> 00:50:27,380
snowflake before passing any kind of

973
00:50:33,339 --> 00:50:30,320
judgment visited me in my home visited

974
00:50:38,070 --> 00:50:33,349
the site spoke with all the crewmen did

975
00:50:41,380 --> 00:50:38,080
physical examination of things and

976
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:41,390
further you know the various theories of

977
00:50:47,890 --> 00:50:44,570
the debunkers throughout there he dug up

978
00:50:49,720 --> 00:50:47,900
evidence that showed them to be a raving

979
00:50:54,790 --> 00:50:49,730
maniac some idiots and fools you know

980
00:50:56,079 --> 00:50:54,800
because m'as verifiable data that they

981
00:50:58,599 --> 00:50:56,089
should have uncovered if they were

982
00:51:00,810 --> 00:50:58,609
seriously investigating this rather than

983
00:51:03,270 --> 00:51:00,820
just coming up with a conclusion and

984
00:51:05,410 --> 00:51:03,280
scrambling for looking for some way to

985
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:05,420
justify it right

986
00:51:12,010 --> 00:51:08,330
well Walt thank you for the thank you

987
00:51:16,839 --> 00:51:12,020
for the phone call yeah listen it's

988
00:51:20,170 --> 00:51:16,849
Freeman say say that again I wasn't

989
00:51:22,660 --> 00:51:20,180
trying to marginalize demolish or

990
00:51:24,700 --> 00:51:22,670
discredit the man and its work I I do

991
00:51:27,630 --> 00:51:24,710
like what he did he did a lot of good I

992
00:51:30,310 --> 00:51:27,640
was just upset when he criticized

993
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:30,320
information that I got first and many

994
00:51:36,550 --> 00:51:33,410
years earlier and anything Travis they

995
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:36,560
look at they look what the aliens look

996
00:51:41,500 --> 00:51:39,890
like I can still describe it I don't

997
00:51:43,660 --> 00:51:41,510
know if you have ever done that or not

998
00:51:45,940 --> 00:51:43,670
but I can tell you exactly what the

999
00:51:49,150 --> 00:51:45,950
little nuts look like and the big ones

1000
00:51:51,130 --> 00:51:49,160
I wasn't sure well there's probably far

1001
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:51,140
more species than anybody you know some

1002
00:51:55,030 --> 00:51:52,970
people say oh they 15 species in

1003
00:51:56,890 --> 00:51:55,040
visiting the earth no they're 27 species

1004
00:51:59,290 --> 00:51:56,900
how would anybody know such a thing

1005
00:52:01,960 --> 00:51:59,300
right they're visitations are so

1006
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:01,970
clandestine that you know I don't think

1007
00:52:06,150 --> 00:52:03,610
anybody knows the total

1008
00:52:08,220 --> 00:52:06,160
and it probably changes day to day I

1009
00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:08,230
think that's kind of an irrelevant point

1010
00:52:13,860 --> 00:52:10,960
but one thing I disagreed was Stan about

1011
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:13,870
was he was basically saying this guy

1012
00:52:17,700 --> 00:52:15,370
can't be telling the truth because he

1013
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:17,710
wasn't in the phone book the government

1014
00:52:22,530 --> 00:52:20,530
phone book and I know wait a minute

1015
00:52:24,330 --> 00:52:22,540
absence of evidence is not evidence of

1016
00:52:26,970 --> 00:52:24,340
absence you know if they wanted to keep

1017
00:52:29,130 --> 00:52:26,980
somebody's employment secret they one of

1018
00:52:31,470 --> 00:52:29,140
the first things you do is not publish a

1019
00:52:34,020 --> 00:52:31,480
phone book with their name in it yeah

1020
00:52:35,900 --> 00:52:34,030
we've got to take a break hey Walt thank

1021
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:35,910
you for the phone call

1022
00:52:41,790 --> 00:52:38,890
thank you yeah thank you

1023
00:52:44,340 --> 00:52:41,800
and you bring up I've got I've got about

1024
00:52:47,550 --> 00:52:44,350
30 45 seconds but you bring that but one

1025
00:52:50,250 --> 00:52:47,560
of my favorite points Travis that there

1026
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:50,260
are a trillion stars in our Milky Way

1027
00:52:58,320 --> 00:52:54,010
right there just a trillion a trillion

1028
00:53:01,140 --> 00:52:58,330
planets which says to me just to just

1029
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:01,150
don't with that crazy number there are

1030
00:53:08,550 --> 00:53:05,050
millions of civilizations out there and

1031
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:08,560
probably and a large chunk of that knows

1032
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:12,490
about planet Earth yes now you know I've

1033
00:53:19,410 --> 00:53:15,280
often brought up the point that not all

1034
00:53:22,860 --> 00:53:19,420
of these civilizations are older than us

1035
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:22,870
a lot more like cave aliens but those

1036
00:53:28,830 --> 00:53:25,410
aren't the ones that are coming here

1037
00:53:32,030 --> 00:53:28,840
there every range of development from

1038
00:53:34,620 --> 00:53:32,040
very primitive to extremely advanced

1039
00:53:37,050 --> 00:53:34,630
with technology and science and

1040
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:37,060
knowledge and intelligence far beyond

1041
00:53:42,300 --> 00:53:39,370
anything we can even imagine yeah and if

1042
00:53:45,090 --> 00:53:42,310
we had the opportunity you know to go

1043
00:53:50,670 --> 00:53:45,100
interstellar and and go to a planet that

1044
00:53:53,910 --> 00:53:50,680
is in that evolutionary stage what are

1045
00:53:58,460 --> 00:53:53,920
we gonna suddenly show them what a smart

1046
00:54:01,350 --> 00:53:58,470
phone is and how to build computers no

1047
00:54:02,670 --> 00:54:01,360
it's not gonna happen let's take our

1048
00:54:06,300 --> 00:54:02,680
break right here our guest tonight

1049
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:06,310
Travis Walton this is night two of our

1050
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:08,650
call in week here on fade to black

1051
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:10,570
tonight Travis Walton tomorrow night

1052
00:54:14,940 --> 00:54:13,090
Whitley Strieber Thursday night Richard

1053
00:54:16,190 --> 00:54:14,950
Dolan we'll be right back after this

1054
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:16,200
short break with more of your

1055
00:54:57,759 --> 00:54:55,190
[Music]

1056
00:55:00,079 --> 00:54:57,769
[Applause]

1057
00:55:01,669 --> 00:55:00,089
welcome back pay the black I'm gonna be

1058
00:55:04,759 --> 00:55:01,679
Church our guest tonight Travis Walton

1059
00:55:06,819 --> 00:55:04,769
open lines all night long seven four

1060
00:55:10,269 --> 00:55:06,829
seven two two eight two zero five one

1061
00:55:15,469 --> 00:55:10,279
seven four seven two two eight two zero

1062
00:55:18,499 --> 00:55:15,479
five one and Travis before we get back

1063
00:55:21,639 --> 00:55:18,509
to the phones I want to ask you that I

1064
00:55:25,249 --> 00:55:21,649
don't want you to be uncomfortable but

1065
00:55:30,589 --> 00:55:25,259
here's an uncomfortable question do you

1066
00:55:34,729 --> 00:55:30,599
do you feel that you are monitored does

1067
00:55:38,659 --> 00:55:34,739
et know where you are now do you think

1068
00:55:41,479 --> 00:55:38,669
they followed you since 1975 I used to

1069
00:55:44,029 --> 00:55:41,489
be adamant no no this was just a random

1070
00:55:46,429 --> 00:55:44,039
act and it was just you know I can

1071
00:55:49,279 --> 00:55:46,439
walked away and you know if I stay away

1072
00:55:51,469 --> 00:55:49,289
from things that I see I'm perfectly

1073
00:55:53,989 --> 00:55:51,479
safe but I actually I think the opposite

1074
00:55:56,359 --> 00:55:53,999
now not only am i monitor I think we all

1075
00:55:58,729 --> 00:55:56,369
are and you might say how is that

1076
00:56:00,469 --> 00:55:58,739
possible well you know I'm looking at

1077
00:56:02,589 --> 00:56:00,479
this little cell phone in my hand and

1078
00:56:05,499 --> 00:56:02,599
thinking about the Utah data center

1079
00:56:08,289 --> 00:56:05,509
where the United States government

1080
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:08,299
comparitively millions of years perhaps

1081
00:56:14,419 --> 00:56:11,729
less developed than the alien culture is

1082
00:56:16,459 --> 00:56:14,429
capable of recording every single

1083
00:56:19,179 --> 00:56:16,469
electronic communication on the face of

1084
00:56:21,859 --> 00:56:19,189
the earth right now if our primitive

1085
00:56:24,439 --> 00:56:21,869
technology can handle that certainly

1086
00:56:27,620 --> 00:56:24,449
they can handle keeping track of

1087
00:56:30,559 --> 00:56:27,630
individuals I I actually think contrary

1088
00:56:33,259 --> 00:56:30,569
to what I used to think that if you saw

1089
00:56:35,649 --> 00:56:33,269
one as a child and you see one as an

1090
00:56:38,749 --> 00:56:35,659
adult or they know what you and they

1091
00:56:42,679 --> 00:56:38,759
know about the connection do you do you

1092
00:56:45,379 --> 00:56:42,689
think that you have possibly

1093
00:56:49,729 --> 00:56:45,389
communicated or or that they are

1094
00:56:51,589 --> 00:56:49,739
understanding your frame of mine yep but

1095
00:56:52,939 --> 00:56:51,599
I can't prove it so you know I can say

1096
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:52,949
all kinds of things I'll tell you what I

1097
00:56:59,870 --> 00:56:56,130
am absolutely certain of their presence

1098
00:57:00,319 --> 00:56:59,880
in a variety of forms but I can't prove

1099
00:57:04,159 --> 00:57:00,329
it

1100
00:57:06,079 --> 00:57:04,169
and I actually sort of hid that the

1101
00:57:08,479 --> 00:57:06,089
inquiry was have you ever seen one

1102
00:57:10,189 --> 00:57:08,489
before even at a pro at the time the

1103
00:57:11,420 --> 00:57:10,199
aerial phenomena research organization

1104
00:57:14,020 --> 00:57:11,430
right called anybody

1105
00:57:15,799 --> 00:57:14,030
had more than one experience a

1106
00:57:19,430 --> 00:57:15,809
quote-unquote repeater

1107
00:57:21,890 --> 00:57:19,440
and cast huge doubt on that on their

1108
00:57:25,250 --> 00:57:21,900
report because they thought they had

1109
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:25,260
eggs against such a sighting or an

1110
00:57:32,089 --> 00:57:30,450
encounter were so vastly a tiny that if

1111
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:32,099
you had more than one that had defied

1112
00:57:38,030 --> 00:57:34,290
the odds well I don't think that's true

1113
00:57:40,670 --> 00:57:38,040
at all I think that more than one

1114
00:57:43,370 --> 00:57:40,680
sighting or experiences probably

1115
00:57:45,980 --> 00:57:43,380
experienced pretty commonly across the

1116
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:45,990
planet you know why don't they come

1117
00:57:54,260 --> 00:57:52,050
forward and say you know hi Jimmy good

1118
00:57:56,109 --> 00:57:54,270
to see you again and you know that thing

1119
00:58:01,069 --> 00:57:56,119
we did when you were six years old

1120
00:58:04,730 --> 00:58:01,079
forgiveness for that really I think the

1121
00:58:07,700 --> 00:58:04,740
connection is there and they don't need

1122
00:58:11,319 --> 00:58:07,710
to make us aware of it but but I think

1123
00:58:15,079 --> 00:58:11,329
they are aware of it and it's not that

1124
00:58:17,569 --> 00:58:15,089
it's just data right huge amounts of

1125
00:58:19,339 --> 00:58:17,579
information and that would be probably

1126
00:58:21,829 --> 00:58:19,349
the first thing that they would master

1127
00:58:24,609 --> 00:58:21,839
do you ever do you ever go out look up

1128
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:24,619
at the stars and go okay

1129
00:58:32,349 --> 00:58:28,410
come on back I've got questions now we

1130
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:32,359
didn't finish the first time around I

1131
00:58:36,289 --> 00:58:34,410
definitely think there's some unfinished

1132
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:36,299
business here but I don't think I can

1133
00:58:46,549 --> 00:58:39,930
summon them I think they are keeping an

1134
00:58:49,700 --> 00:58:46,559
eye on things and they're going to yeah

1135
00:58:51,829 --> 00:58:49,710
look the thing that people say is how

1136
00:58:55,099 --> 00:58:51,839
come all of these experiences that

1137
00:58:57,549 --> 00:58:55,109
people have are always just short of

1138
00:59:01,099 --> 00:58:57,559
absolute proof how come we don't have

1139
00:59:03,950 --> 00:59:01,109
you know real clear photographs of them

1140
00:59:05,809 --> 00:59:03,960
or you know that sort of thing well

1141
00:59:07,549 --> 00:59:05,819
because they're in control of that

1142
00:59:09,799 --> 00:59:07,559
they're not stupid they're extremely

1143
00:59:13,069 --> 00:59:09,809
intelligent and the degree of proven

1144
00:59:16,700 --> 00:59:13,079
ability that humans are allowed is just

1145
00:59:18,770 --> 00:59:16,710
deliberately just shy of anything that's

1146
00:59:21,349 --> 00:59:18,780
going to create that kind of huge

1147
00:59:24,799 --> 00:59:21,359
disruption even even the gun camera

1148
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:24,809
footage the Navy pilots a god it's just

1149
00:59:26,900 --> 00:59:25,410
shy

1150
00:59:29,420 --> 00:59:26,910
something that you know at that point

1151
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:29,430
all they can say is well this is

1152
00:59:35,270 --> 00:59:31,530
something that can behave in ways that

1153
00:59:37,670 --> 00:59:35,280
nothing we know Afghan you know it's

1154
00:59:39,770 --> 00:59:37,680
nothing like hey we got a good clear

1155
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:39,780
shot of alien speaking out the window or

1156
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:41,610
something that's it's not gonna be like

1157
00:59:48,890 --> 00:59:44,930
that and I don't expect it to be I think

1158
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:48,900
these glimpses are not a case where the

1159
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:52,890
these mains are slapping their forehead

1160
00:59:57,950 --> 00:59:56,610
and saying oops damn Oh humans spotted

1161
00:59:59,000 --> 00:59:57,960
me again I guess I better be more

1162
01:00:01,460 --> 00:59:59,010
careful next time

1163
01:00:03,830 --> 01:00:01,470
right not at all I think that they're

1164
01:00:05,690 --> 01:00:03,840
smart enough and have the technology

1165
01:00:06,940 --> 01:00:05,700
where they could do everything they're

1166
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:06,950
doing here and remain completely

1167
01:00:12,890 --> 01:00:09,810
undetected I think the glimpses that

1168
01:00:15,890 --> 01:00:12,900
people are getting are nudging us

1169
01:00:18,770 --> 01:00:15,900
towards a an acceptance of a reality

1170
01:00:21,380 --> 01:00:18,780
that we need to be aware of but not in

1171
01:00:24,050 --> 01:00:21,390
such an abrupt way is to create a panic

1172
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:24,060
or worldwide economic collapse or

1173
01:00:27,790 --> 01:00:25,650
something you know the tens of bad

1174
01:00:31,220 --> 01:00:27,800
consequences that could happen if they

1175
01:00:34,310 --> 01:00:31,230
rushed it yeah and and we didn't

1176
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:34,320
collapse two years ago in 2017 for sure

1177
01:00:38,810 --> 01:00:35,970
let's go back to the phones hi you're

1178
01:00:40,790 --> 01:00:38,820
live on fade to black who's calling hi

1179
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:40,800
Jimmy it's Andy in Dallas

1180
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:51,090
hi sandy say hi to Travis Walton right

1181
01:00:55,490 --> 01:00:52,770
on sandy what have you got for Travis

1182
01:01:00,200 --> 01:00:55,500
tonight all right I'm gonna change it up

1183
01:01:03,550 --> 01:01:00,210
hey Travis do you know yeah I'm

1184
01:01:14,450 --> 01:01:03,560
listening what was the question

1185
01:01:18,940 --> 01:01:14,460
do you know Q are you following okay so

1186
01:01:24,590 --> 01:01:18,950
what sandy is referencing is there is

1187
01:01:27,650 --> 01:01:24,600
this person or group it's not really

1188
01:01:31,460 --> 01:01:27,660
known for sure that has been posting out

1189
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:31,470
there on a few different forums that

1190
01:01:37,820 --> 01:01:34,530
goes by the name Q well the latter part

1191
01:01:39,410 --> 01:01:37,830
of the show is Q and a so they had me

1192
01:01:42,970 --> 01:01:39,420
there for a second

1193
01:01:45,950 --> 01:01:42,980
have you been following this queue stuff

1194
01:01:48,050 --> 01:01:45,960
okay well there's your answer sandy so

1195
01:01:52,820 --> 01:01:48,060
sandy I'll give you one do you have a

1196
01:01:56,540 --> 01:01:52,830
second question for Travis all right

1197
01:02:01,220 --> 01:01:56,550
sandy enjoy the rest of your night here

1198
01:02:04,820 --> 01:02:01,230
I've really got my hands full keep up

1199
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:04,830
with everything yeah and there is

1200
01:02:11,450 --> 01:02:07,890
I'll send you some info tomorrow over

1201
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:11,460
the last couple of weeks there's been

1202
01:02:19,970 --> 01:02:16,290
this data drop of images and video and

1203
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:19,980
text that was allegedly found on a USB

1204
01:02:25,790 --> 01:02:23,130
Drive over in Germany we've got the

1205
01:02:29,870 --> 01:02:25,800
files now and some of the videos have

1206
01:02:33,140 --> 01:02:29,880
been posted and it's it's very

1207
01:02:36,079 --> 01:02:33,150
interesting that's all I can say is this

1208
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:36,089
is this the biggest UFO story of the

1209
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:38,250
century I don't know is this a game

1210
01:02:42,980 --> 01:02:40,050
that's being played I don't know but

1211
01:02:44,870 --> 01:02:42,990
there's a lot of a data that we're going

1212
01:02:47,420 --> 01:02:44,880
through now send you some more on that

1213
01:02:48,589 --> 01:02:47,430
tomorrow let's go back to the phones hi

1214
01:02:57,339 --> 01:02:48,599
you're live on fade to black who's

1215
01:03:01,790 --> 01:02:57,349
calling you're live Oh me yes yes you

1216
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:01,800
know rubbish Oh buddy how you doing hi

1217
01:03:06,470 --> 01:03:04,890
neo how are you tonight oh man I've been

1218
01:03:08,510 --> 01:03:06,480
working on the elements you know I'm a

1219
01:03:12,140 --> 01:03:08,520
doing that scientific research I found

1220
01:03:17,300 --> 01:03:12,150
out some stuff about cotton cotton seeds

1221
01:03:20,030 --> 01:03:17,310
and coffee coffee works like salt man

1222
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:20,040
you pour that stuff around your car and

1223
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:22,890
stuff then burn spirits can't stand it

1224
01:03:27,620 --> 01:03:25,770
dude okay Neal well I drink a lot of

1225
01:03:32,540 --> 01:03:27,630
coffee so I'm always in the safe zone

1226
01:03:40,790 --> 01:03:32,550
what do you have for Travis tonight well

1227
01:03:46,339 --> 01:03:40,800
a UFO guy Travis Walton yeah Neil Neil

1228
01:03:48,410 --> 01:03:46,349
you need to get some sleep all right I

1229
01:03:50,550 --> 01:03:48,420
just called in I saw his freak calls and

1230
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:50,560
I wanted to talk to the guy but

1231
01:03:56,190 --> 01:03:52,810
I'm sorry I don't know much about him

1232
01:03:57,870 --> 01:03:56,200
you know that's okay but but I'm doing

1233
01:04:00,510 --> 01:03:57,880
the open eye project I'm the one that

1234
01:04:05,370 --> 01:04:00,520
sees invisible dimensions maybe I could

1235
01:04:08,070 --> 01:04:05,380
ask him a question about why why am I

1236
01:04:09,870 --> 01:04:08,080
the only one doing this research it

1237
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:09,880
seems like there should be more of us

1238
01:04:15,540 --> 01:04:12,250
doing it well you're not the only one

1239
01:04:17,970 --> 01:04:15,550
there's lots of people doing it and and

1240
01:04:19,830 --> 01:04:17,980
there are many people who make fun of us

1241
01:04:21,860 --> 01:04:19,840
who are doing this kind of research but

1242
01:04:25,380 --> 01:04:21,870
you know it comes with the territory so

1243
01:04:28,740 --> 01:04:25,390
you know roll with the punches yeah yeah

1244
01:04:32,130 --> 01:04:28,750
yeah you know you gotta go with what you

1245
01:04:34,380 --> 01:04:32,140
believe in man and never stop I'm

1246
01:04:37,850 --> 01:04:34,390
fighting look I figured out I bind I

1247
01:04:41,100 --> 01:04:37,860
binded demons all the way to Mars dude I

1248
01:04:44,100 --> 01:04:41,110
this Halloween I found some demon and I

1249
01:04:46,050 --> 01:04:44,110
tied them up behind their back dude I'm

1250
01:04:48,890 --> 01:04:46,060
fighting a war and look they got this

1251
01:04:52,770 --> 01:04:48,900
darkness I want to talk to you about it

1252
01:04:55,860 --> 01:04:52,780
the elements I was working with when I

1253
01:04:57,840 --> 01:04:55,870
started burning the darkness the spirit

1254
01:05:00,420 --> 01:04:57,850
started saying in the dimension it says

1255
01:05:02,730 --> 01:05:00,430
the darkness is burning in the bunch of

1256
01:05:04,620 --> 01:05:02,740
them sort of saying burn burn keep on

1257
01:05:06,750 --> 01:05:04,630
burning the darkness so with my

1258
01:05:09,540 --> 01:05:06,760
consciousness and I was using the

1259
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:09,550
element I figured a way to burn this

1260
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:14,850
darkness okay and it's working okay well

1261
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:17,770
I'd like to talk to you about it another

1262
01:05:23,580 --> 01:05:18,570
time

1263
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:23,590
absolutely Neil yeah I was talking to

1264
01:05:27,690 --> 01:05:25,330
Eric I said Darren Eric

1265
01:05:29,940 --> 01:05:27,700
I was hoping Eric would try to get me on

1266
01:05:32,250 --> 01:05:29,950
your show you know be a guest or

1267
01:05:34,470 --> 01:05:32,260
whatever because look I found out some

1268
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:34,480
great stuff and I'm fighting a battle

1269
01:05:39,780 --> 01:05:37,450
dude all right yeah well tonight it's

1270
01:05:43,110 --> 01:05:39,790
about Travis Walton so I'll let you go

1271
01:05:46,530 --> 01:05:43,120
for now but the next Fator night Colin

1272
01:05:51,990 --> 01:05:46,540
and we'll have a longer chat okay yeah

1273
01:05:53,790 --> 01:05:52,000
thank you so much Neil and goes right

1274
01:05:56,100 --> 01:05:53,800
back to what we were just talking about

1275
01:05:59,040 --> 01:05:56,110
earlier though Travis the religious

1276
01:06:02,830 --> 01:05:59,050
component of this is something that we

1277
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:02,840
can't we can't ignore but for me it's

1278
01:06:10,270 --> 01:06:05,930
not necessarily directly what Neal was

1279
01:06:13,660 --> 01:06:10,280
referring to I'm referring to ancient

1280
01:06:15,610 --> 01:06:13,670
history and religion and and angels and

1281
01:06:17,740 --> 01:06:15,620
communication to the stars and

1282
01:06:21,210 --> 01:06:17,750
information coming from the stars and

1283
01:06:25,570 --> 01:06:21,220
and you know somebody has spoken to us

1284
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:25,580
I've always felt that that if you

1285
01:06:30,730 --> 01:06:28,730
exchange don't want that's I don't wanna

1286
01:06:35,470 --> 01:06:30,740
sound like some heretic but if you

1287
01:06:38,470 --> 01:06:35,480
exchange angels in the Bible with aliens

1288
01:06:40,990 --> 01:06:38,480
or et you've got a pretty solid story

1289
01:06:43,870 --> 01:06:41,000
there what that makes a lot of sense

1290
01:06:45,790 --> 01:06:43,880
that can sometimes be interchangeable in

1291
01:06:48,490 --> 01:06:45,800
people's interpretation of things they

1292
01:06:51,220 --> 01:06:48,500
just didn't know how else to describe it

1293
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:51,230
you know even even the early Native

1294
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:54,050
Americans didn't call them aliens they

1295
01:07:00,940 --> 01:06:55,850
call them the sky people and it's just

1296
01:07:02,830 --> 01:07:00,950
you know what what you have to figure it

1297
01:07:05,050 --> 01:07:02,840
in terms of what you know yeah because

1298
01:07:07,330 --> 01:07:05,060
you know two three thousand years ago

1299
01:07:10,780 --> 01:07:07,340
two thousand years ago if you're in

1300
01:07:13,540 --> 01:07:10,790
communication with something like that

1301
01:07:16,540 --> 01:07:13,550
some et being you're not going to go

1302
01:07:20,140 --> 01:07:16,550
back to the village and try to explain

1303
01:07:23,890 --> 01:07:20,150
to them et might be burned at the stake

1304
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:23,900
right if you got to go with God I just

1305
01:07:29,890 --> 01:07:28,250
met with God and he said well okay then

1306
01:07:31,390 --> 01:07:29,900
there won't be any panic in the streets

1307
01:07:36,490 --> 01:07:31,400
let's go back to the phones how your

1308
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:36,500
live on fade to black who's calling hey

1309
01:07:42,780 --> 01:07:39,410
Eric how are you say how to Travis hello

1310
01:07:44,980 --> 01:07:42,790
mr. Walton how are you sir I'm thank you

1311
01:07:47,050 --> 01:07:44,990
we've had the opportunity to meet a few

1312
01:07:48,730 --> 01:07:47,060
times you probably recognize me if I sit

1313
01:07:50,860 --> 01:07:48,740
you saw me but I want to ask you two

1314
01:07:54,190 --> 01:07:50,870
questions take your time with the answer

1315
01:07:57,160 --> 01:07:54,200
the first question is in that moment

1316
01:07:59,560 --> 01:07:57,170
that going back to nineteen I believe 74

1317
01:08:02,730 --> 01:07:59,570
or 75 when when you got out of the truck

1318
01:08:07,150 --> 01:08:02,740
and and this I'm just going to call it

1319
01:08:08,590 --> 01:08:07,160
this energy that came from this source

1320
01:08:12,010 --> 01:08:08,600
where there was a craft or whatever it

1321
01:08:15,130 --> 01:08:12,020
came and it knocked you back yeah okay

1322
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:15,140
now looking looking back now you have

1323
01:08:18,669 --> 01:08:16,489
the the discernment

1324
01:08:20,709 --> 01:08:18,679
and the hindsight and everything that

1325
01:08:23,140 --> 01:08:20,719
you've been able learn why do you think

1326
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:23,150
that why do you think that those that

1327
01:08:27,609 --> 01:08:25,130
that was a conscious source that seems

1328
01:08:30,009 --> 01:08:27,619
to beat it whatever it was that fired

1329
01:08:31,539 --> 01:08:30,019
that energy at you I don't know fired is

1330
01:08:33,819 --> 01:08:31,549
the right word but directed that energy

1331
01:08:36,089 --> 01:08:33,829
yet you it was conscious and it did that

1332
01:08:40,299 --> 01:08:36,099
for a reason why do you think that was

1333
01:08:42,399 --> 01:08:40,309
well that's a leap that I made it first

1334
01:08:45,399 --> 01:08:42,409
but I no longer go there you know I

1335
01:08:48,009 --> 01:08:45,409
think that this energy discharge could

1336
01:08:53,349 --> 01:08:48,019
have had something to do with me getting

1337
01:08:56,109 --> 01:08:53,359
too close and just being something that

1338
01:09:00,430 --> 01:08:56,119
would ground the energy now earlier in

1339
01:09:03,039 --> 01:09:00,440
the show I described the high frequency

1340
01:09:07,059 --> 01:09:03,049
of lightning strikes in the rim area

1341
01:09:08,379 --> 01:09:07,069
there well this this high-energy I mean

1342
01:09:11,470 --> 01:09:08,389
it's it's been so high that I've

1343
01:09:13,079 --> 01:09:11,480
actually seen what looked like lightning

1344
01:09:17,109 --> 01:09:13,089
coming out of a clear blue sky I mean

1345
01:09:22,660 --> 01:09:17,119
it's it's a charge that's there now now

1346
01:09:25,149 --> 01:09:22,670
just what if the craft itself generated

1347
01:09:29,649 --> 01:09:25,159
some sort of an electromagnetic field

1348
01:09:33,069 --> 01:09:29,659
that triggered a strike and the this

1349
01:09:36,099 --> 01:09:33,079
blast of just simple lightning hit the

1350
01:09:39,309 --> 01:09:36,109
craft and me being the next closest

1351
01:09:42,370 --> 01:09:39,319
thing to ground was the secondary

1352
01:09:46,959 --> 01:09:42,380
discharge so some kind of a freak

1353
01:09:52,209 --> 01:09:46,969
accident possibly injuring or killing me

1354
01:09:54,009 --> 01:09:52,219
and nobody can fix it but them nearest

1355
01:09:57,430 --> 01:09:54,019
hospitals and honking away none of the

1356
01:10:00,580 --> 01:09:57,440
crew know CPR and it was more of a

1357
01:10:03,370 --> 01:10:00,590
rescue than an attack that's the

1358
01:10:05,379 --> 01:10:03,380
impression I got and I mean I've been

1359
01:10:07,029 --> 01:10:05,389
researching for about four years and I

1360
01:10:08,229 --> 01:10:07,039
mean and this is I'm not going to tell

1361
01:10:10,509 --> 01:10:08,239
you this because I'm trying to make you

1362
01:10:13,359 --> 01:10:10,519
feel good but I honestly haven't met

1363
01:10:15,189 --> 01:10:13,369
anyone that's come close to is this as

1364
01:10:17,350 --> 01:10:15,199
believable as you are not even in the

1365
01:10:22,089 --> 01:10:17,360
same ballpark but and what I wanted to

1366
01:10:23,410 --> 01:10:22,099
ask you is may May 3rd 2018 I was

1367
01:10:25,419 --> 01:10:23,420
listening to you talk on a radio show

1368
01:10:27,850 --> 01:10:25,429
was about 6:30 at night I was driving

1369
01:10:29,500 --> 01:10:27,860
from Arizona to California we're going

1370
01:10:29,979 --> 01:10:29,510
to go to Joshua Tree this is going to

1371
01:10:32,049 --> 01:10:29,989
real quick

1372
01:10:35,529 --> 01:10:32,059
story took a ride on Kel Becca rode

1373
01:10:38,319 --> 01:10:35,539
women to the mojave dunes near Kelso and

1374
01:10:40,149 --> 01:10:38,329
I pulled over seven miles in because I

1375
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:40,159
was losing cell service that I wanted to

1376
01:10:46,209 --> 01:10:43,130
hear what you were saying and I saw this

1377
01:10:47,830 --> 01:10:46,219
object if Jimmy knows this story I'm

1378
01:10:49,419 --> 01:10:47,840
gonna say was about 40 feet around it

1379
01:10:51,910 --> 01:10:49,429
was about a hundred yards away in the

1380
01:10:55,060 --> 01:10:51,920
sky it was still gonna walk it was

1381
01:10:56,290 --> 01:10:55,070
reflective I look Crone to me but the

1382
01:10:59,529 --> 01:10:56,300
reason why I even tell you the story is

1383
01:11:02,350 --> 01:10:59,539
because I saw that in the daylight I

1384
01:11:04,660 --> 01:11:02,360
became convinced that the phenomena was

1385
01:11:06,879 --> 01:11:04,670
real that's what it took for me to get

1386
01:11:10,270 --> 01:11:06,889
to the point where I wasn't did I didn't

1387
01:11:12,669 --> 01:11:10,280
have any time but I became a believer so

1388
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:12,679
I was on a research tear I came across

1389
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:16,010
this Eric Mitchell and I got to talk to

1390
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:18,650
him quite a bit on Facebook he allowed

1391
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:20,090
me to interview him and he did mention

1392
01:11:24,279 --> 01:11:22,610
that he spent some time with you and I'm

1393
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:24,289
wearing are you comfortable talking all

1394
01:11:27,759 --> 01:11:26,449
about that experience your time that you

1395
01:11:30,430 --> 01:11:27,769
spent with him and what you thought

1396
01:11:32,350 --> 01:11:30,440
about his story seems like a lot of

1397
01:11:35,669 --> 01:11:32,360
people don't know much about him but I

1398
01:11:38,379 --> 01:11:35,679
think his story to me feels very genuine

1399
01:11:42,430 --> 01:11:38,389
yeah yeah yeah and you know he's had

1400
01:11:43,930 --> 01:11:42,440
some lasting effects that really ought

1401
01:11:46,330 --> 01:11:43,940
to be checked out I mean it's right

1402
01:11:49,330 --> 01:11:46,340
there researchers can see it for

1403
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:49,340
themselves so I think his cases are

1404
01:11:56,709 --> 01:11:52,010
particularly interesting but you know

1405
01:11:59,939 --> 01:11:56,719
I've seen things a number of times going

1406
01:12:03,160 --> 01:11:59,949
back to my childhood that make me

1407
01:12:05,529 --> 01:12:03,170
absolutely certain that the phenomena is

1408
01:12:07,330 --> 01:12:05,539
real now it's not impossible for

1409
01:12:11,939 --> 01:12:07,340
somebody to convince me that it's not

1410
01:12:18,729 --> 01:12:14,739
pretending to be aliens that's not

1411
01:12:20,830 --> 01:12:18,739
impossible highly highly unlikely that

1412
01:12:23,770 --> 01:12:20,840
we possess that kind of technology and

1413
01:12:29,049 --> 01:12:23,780
keep it a secret I mean how many secrets

1414
01:12:31,060 --> 01:12:29,059
get kept you know but well if somebody

1415
01:12:33,700 --> 01:12:31,070
can give me evidence that gives me a

1416
01:12:36,759 --> 01:12:33,710
reason to believe it's something other

1417
01:12:38,529 --> 01:12:36,769
than what I think it is right all this I

1418
01:12:40,719 --> 01:12:38,539
don't begin with a conclusion that's

1419
01:12:43,689 --> 01:12:40,729
what the debunkers do they start with a

1420
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:43,699
conclusion and look for ways to

1421
01:12:53,530 --> 01:12:48,530
and justify it and mustaine on this

1422
01:12:55,930 --> 01:12:53,540
where you know the the my lab phenomenon

1423
01:12:59,919 --> 01:12:55,940
that is out there so many people have

1424
01:13:03,189 --> 01:12:59,929
shared these experiences and I think

1425
01:13:08,590 --> 01:13:03,199
about that some type of staged you know

1426
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:08,600
alien abduction to maybe plant memories

1427
01:13:14,770 --> 01:13:11,210
or ideas or to cover up an actual

1428
01:13:18,220 --> 01:13:14,780
sighting that may be in the area there's

1429
01:13:20,169 --> 01:13:18,230
that part of it there's that's right

1430
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:20,179
that's right and then there's this other

1431
01:13:28,919 --> 01:13:24,010
part of it where there have been so many

1432
01:13:33,070 --> 01:13:28,929
abduction experiences that have had

1433
01:13:37,149 --> 01:13:33,080
military in uniform people standing in

1434
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:37,159
the background almost as observers not

1435
01:13:43,540 --> 01:13:40,130
part of the abduction but they seem to

1436
01:13:46,330 --> 01:13:43,550
be involved for some reason unless

1437
01:13:51,160 --> 01:13:46,340
they're impersonators or imposters you

1438
01:13:53,260 --> 01:13:51,170
know who knows and if there is some sort

1439
01:13:56,020 --> 01:13:53,270
of a thing that's created by the

1440
01:13:57,910 --> 01:13:56,030
government it doesn't a remove the

1441
01:14:00,370 --> 01:13:57,920
possibility that there's another real

1442
01:14:02,590 --> 01:14:00,380
phenomena totally aside from them it

1443
01:14:05,919 --> 01:14:02,600
doesn't have to be one or the other just

1444
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:05,929
like many of the explanations you know

1445
01:14:09,850 --> 01:14:07,730
sometimes even some of the explanations

1446
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:09,860
the debunkers grab a hold of but they

1447
01:14:14,830 --> 01:14:11,570
act like well I've solved the entire

1448
01:14:18,430 --> 01:14:14,840
mystery if I can prove any one case is

1449
01:14:22,930 --> 01:14:18,440
really a meteor or satellite falling

1450
01:14:25,270 --> 01:14:22,940
from the sky or whatever each case

1451
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:25,280
stands on its own and you don't judge

1452
01:14:29,890 --> 01:14:27,170
the entire phenomenon on the basis of

1453
01:14:35,050 --> 01:14:29,900
any single case well while I have Eric

1454
01:14:39,580 --> 01:14:35,060
on the line let me ask you this is there

1455
01:14:42,970 --> 01:14:39,590
a case out there that even for you you

1456
01:14:45,550 --> 01:14:42,980
raise an eyebrow and go okay you've got

1457
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:45,560
my attention is there is there one that

1458
01:14:53,589 --> 01:14:49,250
stands out for you oh yeah yeah but I

1459
01:14:55,419 --> 01:14:53,599
can't go down the line and start picking

1460
01:14:56,770 --> 01:14:55,429
and choosing I said well how about this

1461
01:14:58,629 --> 01:14:56,780
one how about that one and then

1462
01:15:01,720 --> 01:14:58,639
you know the ones that I don't say yes

1463
01:15:03,189 --> 01:15:01,730
to then I just well you know it gets

1464
01:15:05,379 --> 01:15:03,199
kind of complicated I've tried to stay

1465
01:15:07,810 --> 01:15:05,389
away from passing judgment on cases that

1466
01:15:11,589 --> 01:15:07,820
I haven't investigated personally and

1467
01:15:13,330 --> 01:15:11,599
that's all of them I haven't I've been

1468
01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:13,340
so involved in trying to you know

1469
01:15:18,549 --> 01:15:16,489
research and do regards to my own case

1470
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:18,559
that you know I've really gotten my

1471
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:21,050
hands full there's some really

1472
01:15:24,279 --> 01:15:23,090
exceptional cases and there's some

1473
01:15:26,109 --> 01:15:24,289
really bad ones

1474
01:15:30,129 --> 01:15:26,119
let me tell you about some of the bad

1475
01:15:32,919 --> 01:15:30,139
ones only specifically identifying

1476
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:32,929
individuals but but there's two or three

1477
01:15:40,029 --> 01:15:36,770
individuals who are coming out and all

1478
01:15:41,830 --> 01:15:40,039
sudden they're saying I was inside the

1479
01:15:43,959 --> 01:15:41,840
government I knew the whole damn thing

1480
01:15:46,799 --> 01:15:43,969
and here's here I'm laying it all out

1481
01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:46,809
there section this column this

1482
01:15:52,660 --> 01:15:50,210
organization this alphabet soup labels

1483
01:15:54,879 --> 01:15:52,670
but you know these three or four

1484
01:15:58,779 --> 01:15:54,889
different people that know the whole

1485
01:16:03,790 --> 01:15:58,789
story not one detail is the same for

1486
01:16:06,729 --> 01:16:03,800
each of them so I know okay maybe maybe

1487
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:06,739
they're all true but it certainly

1488
01:16:13,660 --> 01:16:10,730
doesn't add support for people to be

1489
01:16:16,870 --> 01:16:13,670
saying that you know I was inside I knew

1490
01:16:21,629 --> 01:16:16,880
all this I had I was privy to the to the

1491
01:16:24,939 --> 01:16:21,639
details of the you know which which

1492
01:16:27,399 --> 01:16:24,949
department was in charge here which

1493
01:16:29,470 --> 01:16:27,409
authority ruled this all this kind of

1494
01:16:34,439 --> 01:16:29,480
stuff and they don't agree with each

1495
01:16:38,890 --> 01:16:34,449
other it's just a question well is there

1496
01:16:44,830 --> 01:16:38,900
before we head to the break for you I am

1497
01:16:47,260 --> 01:16:44,840
sure that there are details still with

1498
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:47,270
your own experience that you haven't

1499
01:16:52,390 --> 01:16:49,130
shared and I understand that I'm not

1500
01:16:53,740 --> 01:16:52,400
asking for those details but people come

1501
01:16:56,799 --> 01:16:53,750
up to you all the time and share their

1502
01:17:00,459 --> 01:16:56,809
experiences have you had that moment

1503
01:17:03,010 --> 01:17:00,469
where somebody is telling you about what

1504
01:17:06,370 --> 01:17:03,020
has happened and they say something that

1505
01:17:09,189 --> 01:17:06,380
only you know where you pump the brakes

1506
01:17:09,709 --> 01:17:09,199
and go oh holy crap okay we need to pay

1507
01:17:12,020 --> 01:17:09,719
attention

1508
01:17:13,700 --> 01:17:12,030
here as that happened yeah yeah there

1509
01:17:15,950 --> 01:17:13,710
are cases like that you know that uh

1510
01:17:17,990 --> 01:17:15,960
well I guess you'd call it ringing a

1511
01:17:20,990 --> 01:17:18,000
bell but you know there are cases were

1512
01:17:24,590 --> 01:17:21,000
ringing the true with things that are

1513
01:17:26,870 --> 01:17:24,600
familiar and but like I say I'm not

1514
01:17:30,670 --> 01:17:26,880
gonna list them in chapter verse I got a

1515
01:17:34,850 --> 01:17:30,680
whole litany of descriptions on belief

1516
01:17:36,890 --> 01:17:34,860
not belief and disbelief you know we

1517
01:17:38,959 --> 01:17:36,900
have to define our terms here if I

1518
01:17:42,170 --> 01:17:38,969
believe acts that means I I hold it to

1519
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:42,180
be true if you ask me if I do believe it

1520
01:17:44,930 --> 01:17:43,770
and I say no that doesn't mean I

1521
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:44,940
disbelieve it

1522
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:47,010
I just haven't put it in the category of

1523
01:17:51,020 --> 01:17:49,410
one that I know to be true a lot of

1524
01:17:53,780 --> 01:17:51,030
people don't understand that at all they

1525
01:17:56,360 --> 01:17:53,790
think wow you're splitting hairs here

1526
01:17:58,610 --> 01:17:56,370
it's kind of like like a court verdict

1527
01:18:02,780 --> 01:17:58,620
you know where they say this this guy's

1528
01:18:04,910 --> 01:18:02,790
verdict was innocent well this guy's

1529
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:04,920
verdict over here is not guilty now

1530
01:18:07,570 --> 01:18:06,570
what's the difference well there is a

1531
01:18:10,010 --> 01:18:07,580
huge difference

1532
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:10,020
innocent means the government found out

1533
01:18:14,330 --> 01:18:11,730
that you couldn't have done it you were

1534
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:14,340
in another state or somebody else did it

1535
01:18:19,430 --> 01:18:16,410
whatever or the crime never occurred

1536
01:18:22,100 --> 01:18:19,440
whatever you know that's innocent but

1537
01:18:26,860 --> 01:18:22,110
not guilty means that the state was

1538
01:18:29,570 --> 01:18:26,870
unable to have sufficient evidence to

1539
01:18:32,209 --> 01:18:29,580
reach the level of something that you'd

1540
01:18:34,729 --> 01:18:32,219
call proof and it's a whole different

1541
01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:34,739
thing and in either case the person

1542
01:18:39,380 --> 01:18:37,170
walks free but they're two different

1543
01:18:40,939 --> 01:18:39,390
things altogether so when people say do

1544
01:18:43,070 --> 01:18:40,949
you believe that and I say no that

1545
01:18:47,030 --> 01:18:43,080
doesn't mean I'm just believing it just

1546
01:18:49,189 --> 01:18:47,040
means I haven't you know adopted into

1547
01:18:51,979 --> 01:18:49,199
the the truth box it's a different box

1548
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:51,989
right right I wanted to ask you this

1549
01:18:57,800 --> 01:18:54,330
I've been looking forward to this

1550
01:19:02,810 --> 01:18:57,810
conversation we recently had a Calvin

1551
01:19:04,459 --> 01:19:02,820
Parker on the show and I do I say it out

1552
01:19:07,070 --> 01:19:04,469
of the gate what a great guy what a

1553
01:19:10,100 --> 01:19:07,080
great personality his feet are on the

1554
01:19:14,140 --> 01:19:10,110
ground and I think he's a very honest

1555
01:19:19,010 --> 01:19:14,150
and genuine his his particular

1556
01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:19,020
experience was brief and doesn't have

1557
01:19:23,790 --> 01:19:21,489
the hallmarks of

1558
01:19:26,729 --> 01:19:23,800
spectacular and fantastical which is

1559
01:19:29,669 --> 01:19:26,739
very brief and and it happened and he's

1560
01:19:31,739 --> 01:19:29,679
laid it out there and I'm sure you

1561
01:19:34,890 --> 01:19:31,749
you're very familiar with Calvin but

1562
01:19:36,810 --> 01:19:34,900
what do you what do you make of Calvin

1563
01:19:38,569 --> 01:19:36,820
and his experience and how he came out

1564
01:19:44,310 --> 01:19:38,579
of the other side

1565
01:19:47,399 --> 01:19:44,320
well he's handled the media storm very

1566
01:19:50,549 --> 01:19:47,409
well and I have not investigated his

1567
01:19:52,859 --> 01:19:50,559
case so my personal impression of him as

1568
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:52,869
a person was positive but I haven't

1569
01:19:57,359 --> 01:19:55,449
investigated this case so I that's

1570
01:20:01,549 --> 01:19:57,369
another one I'm not gonna pass judgment

1571
01:20:04,109 --> 01:20:01,559
on these of other famous cases yeah that

1572
01:20:07,830 --> 01:20:04,119
Calvin and the way that he has described

1573
01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:07,840
it and we just had a fantastic show with

1574
01:20:16,919 --> 01:20:13,090
him that that happened the way the I

1575
01:20:21,390 --> 01:20:16,929
believe it happened exactly as he said

1576
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:21,400
it did I truly do I Travis I'm telling

1577
01:20:25,350 --> 01:20:24,130
you it is just an unbelievably great

1578
01:20:28,939 --> 01:20:25,360
story we gotta take a break right here

1579
01:20:32,129 --> 01:20:28,949
Eric thank you and and by the way Travis

1580
01:20:33,569 --> 01:20:32,139
Eric is my apprentice in about three or

1581
01:20:36,060 --> 01:20:33,579
four years he's going to have his own

1582
01:20:38,580 --> 01:20:36,070
show thank you so much Eric enjoy enjoy

1583
01:20:43,350 --> 01:20:38,590
the rest of your week man thank you so

1584
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:43,360
much you too thank you so much and our

1585
01:20:48,239 --> 01:20:45,610
guest tonight is Travis Walton this is

1586
01:20:49,979 --> 01:20:48,249
fade to black it's night 2 of call in

1587
01:20:51,270 --> 01:20:49,989
week here on fader block tonight Travis

1588
01:20:53,700 --> 01:20:51,280
tomorrow night Whitley Strieber

1589
01:20:55,830 --> 01:20:53,710
Thursday night Richard Dolan of course

1590
01:20:58,140 --> 01:20:55,840
we had a Billy Carson yesterday on

1591
01:20:59,609 --> 01:20:58,150
Monday this is fade to black more Travis

1592
01:21:02,800 --> 01:20:59,619
in your phone calls when we come back

1593
01:21:02,810 --> 01:21:13,200
[Music]

1594
01:21:17,399 --> 01:21:15,580
all right welcome back

1595
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:17,409
fade to black I'm Neil Jimmy Church

1596
01:21:22,149 --> 01:21:20,570
tonight Travis Walton open lines all

1597
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:22,159
night long seven four seven two two

1598
01:21:29,109 --> 01:21:24,650
eight two zero five one got one segment

1599
01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:29,119
left and Travis I wanted to throw this

1600
01:21:37,390 --> 01:21:34,730
how do you feel do you feel chosen oh no

1601
01:21:40,810 --> 01:21:37,400
I I don't think of myself as special at

1602
01:21:44,890 --> 01:21:40,820
all and or chosen or singled out or

1603
01:21:48,359 --> 01:21:44,900
anything I'm just the guy that got to

1604
01:21:52,770 --> 01:21:48,369
close just the guy that got too close

1605
01:21:55,030 --> 01:21:52,780
yeah I would say that that is the case

1606
01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:55,040
let's go back to the phones I want to

1607
01:21:59,620 --> 01:21:56,810
stay on that thought though hi you're

1608
01:22:03,970 --> 01:21:59,630
live on fade to black who's calling hi

1609
01:22:06,430 --> 01:22:03,980
this is ward hi ward hey listen I get me

1610
01:22:10,510 --> 01:22:06,440
hide Travis I've had a couple quick

1611
01:22:12,010 --> 01:22:10,520
questions um Charles when you're up with

1612
01:22:15,100 --> 01:22:12,020
the aliens did you have a sense that

1613
01:22:16,750 --> 01:22:15,110
they had a hierarchy and also do you

1614
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:16,760
think did you get a feeling that they

1615
01:22:24,550 --> 01:22:21,250
had different sexes I did not perceive

1616
01:22:28,260 --> 01:22:24,560
any hierarchy anything involving

1617
01:22:35,709 --> 01:22:28,270
authority the the greys seemed to act in

1618
01:22:41,260 --> 01:22:35,719
unison very simultaneous sort of emotion

1619
01:22:44,260 --> 01:22:41,270
the humans look to be typically male or

1620
01:22:49,810 --> 01:22:44,270
female but I didn't detect any sort of

1621
01:22:51,430 --> 01:22:49,820
insignia or the depicting rank or any of

1622
01:22:54,300 --> 01:22:51,440
that sort of things and I didn't see

1623
01:22:56,830 --> 01:22:54,310
anything that would suggest to me

1624
01:22:59,379 --> 01:22:56,840
authority but not to say it didn't

1625
01:23:03,850 --> 01:22:59,389
didn't exist I just didn't see it and

1626
01:23:08,010 --> 01:23:03,860
but there was a female that you've

1627
01:23:12,669 --> 01:23:08,020
described many times in the past yeah

1628
01:23:14,250 --> 01:23:12,679
people were physically attractive great

1629
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:14,260
physical shape

1630
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:18,530
there you go ward thank you so much yeah

1631
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:20,410
absolutely

1632
01:23:30,930 --> 01:23:26,250
and I remember I remember asking you if

1633
01:23:34,380 --> 01:23:30,940
if the female had more in makeup or

1634
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:34,390
perfume or you know any feminine side to

1635
01:23:41,670 --> 01:23:38,770
her at all what do you remember that

1636
01:23:42,990 --> 01:23:41,680
question and can you answer my god you

1637
01:23:46,050 --> 01:23:43,000
might have asked the question but I

1638
01:23:48,630 --> 01:23:46,060
really don't remember being able to tell

1639
01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:48,640
the difference right it's not anything

1640
01:23:56,370 --> 01:23:53,050
I'm skilled at finding she could have

1641
01:23:59,280 --> 01:23:56,380
been without such enhancements or if she

1642
01:24:03,510 --> 01:23:59,290
had him they were not so overdone that I

1643
01:24:07,500 --> 01:24:03,520
would have noticed but sorry I was in

1644
01:24:11,180 --> 01:24:07,510
too big of a panic you know beside

1645
01:24:15,210 --> 01:24:11,190
myself with fear to be minutely

1646
01:24:18,450 --> 01:24:15,220
examining their parents yeah and the the

1647
01:24:21,150 --> 01:24:18,460
the female identification part was it

1648
01:24:28,380 --> 01:24:21,160
was it because of her facial features

1649
01:24:32,310 --> 01:24:28,390
hair body feminine body parts what yes

1650
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:32,320
all of the typical human society signals

1651
01:24:36,690 --> 01:24:35,170
were there gotcha let's go back to the

1652
01:24:40,860 --> 01:24:36,700
phones hi you're live on fade to black

1653
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:40,870
who's calling hey this is Jason from hey

1654
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:45,010
Jason say hi to Travis hey Travis thanks

1655
01:24:48,510 --> 01:24:46,930
for doing the show it's a pleasure to

1656
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:48,520
get to talk to you instead of hole yeah

1657
01:24:56,280 --> 01:24:54,370
right now I just wanted to know what

1658
01:24:56,880 --> 01:24:56,290
your thoughts being with everything

1659
01:25:00,900 --> 01:24:56,890
you've gone through

1660
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:00,910
on the simulation hypothesis and if you

1661
01:25:05,160 --> 01:25:03,010
believe that's true where do you think

1662
01:25:07,530 --> 01:25:05,170
these these thoughts would play into

1663
01:25:09,630 --> 01:25:07,540
that if it's all right I would actually

1664
01:25:10,890 --> 01:25:09,640
pop back out there cuz it's about 419

1665
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:10,900
and I would love to listen to the show

1666
01:25:14,820 --> 01:25:12,850
live on the radio but sorry you guys

1667
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:14,830
yeah there you go thank you so much

1668
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:15,570
Jason

1669
01:25:23,060 --> 01:25:20,890
they absolutely Travis the simulation

1670
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:23,070
you know that we're living in a

1671
01:25:32,580 --> 01:25:26,850
holographic binary computer-generated

1672
01:25:34,110 --> 01:25:32,590
electronic right as a simulation what do

1673
01:25:37,170 --> 01:25:34,120
you think it's so much talked about

1674
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:37,180
these days well you know if it's so

1675
01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:39,610
perfect that we can't tell then I don't

1676
01:25:45,030 --> 01:25:43,330
know I don't believe that's the case but

1677
01:25:47,370 --> 01:25:45,040
that doesn't mean I disbelieve it it

1678
01:25:49,830 --> 01:25:47,380
just means I I don't really see anything

1679
01:25:52,350 --> 01:25:49,840
compelling to tell me that this is all

1680
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:52,360
an illusion or that we're on a flat

1681
01:25:57,630 --> 01:25:54,970
earth or that it's Hollow or there's a

1682
01:25:59,160 --> 01:25:57,640
number of things that well if you really

1683
01:26:01,140 --> 01:25:59,170
go what about this what about this what

1684
01:26:03,420 --> 01:26:01,150
about this you know you could maybe

1685
01:26:07,770 --> 01:26:03,430
build the case for something but why

1686
01:26:10,440 --> 01:26:07,780
would I put that over the beliefs that I

1687
01:26:13,890 --> 01:26:10,450
already hold I mean why is that would

1688
01:26:15,440 --> 01:26:13,900
you be okay with it though I mean you're

1689
01:26:19,110 --> 01:26:15,450
right if you can't tell the difference

1690
01:26:20,910 --> 01:26:19,120
whatever is is right the problem so many

1691
01:26:23,100 --> 01:26:20,920
of these skeptics and debunkers are

1692
01:26:24,630 --> 01:26:23,110
they're upset like as if you're if

1693
01:26:26,700 --> 01:26:24,640
you're mad enough about something you

1694
01:26:30,740 --> 01:26:26,710
can make it go away no you can't

1695
01:26:33,900 --> 01:26:30,750
whatever is is you know and you you know

1696
01:26:36,510 --> 01:26:33,910
your acceptance or rejection of it has

1697
01:26:38,340 --> 01:26:36,520
nothing to do with its reality well that

1698
01:26:39,450 --> 01:26:38,350
needs to be pursued on its own merits

1699
01:26:43,350 --> 01:26:39,460
yeah that's right

1700
01:26:46,350 --> 01:26:43,360
and you know aliens and et and us being

1701
01:26:49,860 --> 01:26:46,360
alone or not in the universe that's a

1702
01:26:51,780 --> 01:26:49,870
fundamental question and I I have an

1703
01:26:54,630 --> 01:26:51,790
open mind with just about everything

1704
01:26:56,250 --> 01:26:54,640
drivers but well if just looking at from

1705
01:26:59,160 --> 01:26:56,260
the outside you know I keep bringing up

1706
01:27:01,470 --> 01:26:59,170
the example of people saying well if you

1707
01:27:03,570 --> 01:27:01,480
think that it's so far outside the

1708
01:27:06,150 --> 01:27:03,580
mainstream that you're a kook I say no

1709
01:27:10,410 --> 01:27:06,160
actually if you think we're alone in the

1710
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:10,420
universe that makes you the coop you

1711
01:27:15,630 --> 01:27:12,370
know you're holding firm to a belief you

1712
01:27:17,370 --> 01:27:15,640
have no justification you can't in any

1713
01:27:19,350 --> 01:27:17,380
way prove to me that we're alone in the

1714
01:27:22,380 --> 01:27:19,360
universe but you cling to that so

1715
01:27:24,930 --> 01:27:22,390
rapidly that's irrational you're the

1716
01:27:28,110 --> 01:27:24,940
cook and if you just examine the science

1717
01:27:30,510 --> 01:27:28,120
behind it you know a galaxy you have

1718
01:27:33,660 --> 01:27:30,520
trillions of stars trillions of planets

1719
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:33,670
and many of them far older than us and

1720
01:27:37,980 --> 01:27:35,290
you're going to sit there and say well

1721
01:27:39,780 --> 01:27:37,990
they might exist but they just they just

1722
01:27:42,930 --> 01:27:39,790
don't come here well how do you how do

1723
01:27:44,970 --> 01:27:42,940
you know that so certain of that is Flat

1724
01:27:47,490 --> 01:27:44,980
Earth taking it just a bit too far

1725
01:27:50,450 --> 01:27:47,500
though yeah

1726
01:27:53,490 --> 01:27:50,460
I think that's taking it a bit too far

1727
01:27:56,820 --> 01:27:53,500
what do you make of what do you make of

1728
01:27:58,980 --> 01:27:56,830
the flat earthers out there are they

1729
01:28:02,820 --> 01:27:58,990
doing it just because they want a debate

1730
01:28:05,220 --> 01:28:02,830
for sport but they know yeah maybe it's

1731
01:28:07,470 --> 01:28:05,230
vast conspiracies that everything we

1732
01:28:10,230 --> 01:28:07,480
think we know is all false and it's all

1733
01:28:12,420 --> 01:28:10,240
created just to fool us well there would

1734
01:28:16,170 --> 01:28:12,430
be have to be one heck of a lot of

1735
01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:16,180
people in on this conspiracy and why

1736
01:28:22,740 --> 01:28:18,850
would yeah half of the planet would be

1737
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:22,750
in on the conspiracy why would why would

1738
01:28:29,100 --> 01:28:24,610
they participate in such a thing you

1739
01:28:31,380 --> 01:28:29,110
know what's the motive I just think they

1740
01:28:33,330 --> 01:28:31,390
want a debate they just you know some

1741
01:28:35,850 --> 01:28:33,340
people just like to argue you've you've

1742
01:28:38,850 --> 01:28:35,860
got friends that no matter what you say

1743
01:28:40,890 --> 01:28:38,860
you know I love peach pie all peach pie

1744
01:28:44,070 --> 01:28:40,900
socks let me tell you what a great great

1745
01:28:46,130 --> 01:28:44,080
a stir let's go back to the phones how

1746
01:28:48,750 --> 01:28:46,140
you live on fade to black who's calling

1747
01:28:51,180 --> 01:28:48,760
Jim this is Ron from Chicago and I do

1748
01:28:55,470 --> 01:28:51,190
have to say this you have got the best

1749
01:28:58,650 --> 01:28:55,480
radio station ever you are number one to

1750
01:29:01,470 --> 01:28:58,660
me in Chicago we listen to you we love

1751
01:29:04,430 --> 01:29:01,480
you we love your program and I'm telling

1752
01:29:07,740 --> 01:29:04,440
you but you're the best you are the best

1753
01:29:09,330 --> 01:29:07,750
Travis there are just two things I

1754
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:09,340
wanted to ask you and please bear with

1755
01:29:15,090 --> 01:29:12,250
me when you were you were inside that

1756
01:29:18,930 --> 01:29:15,100
craft okay you were inside their craft

1757
01:29:20,430 --> 01:29:18,940
and you woke up I wanted to ask you was

1758
01:29:23,670 --> 01:29:20,440
there how did you breathe with the

1759
01:29:25,740 --> 01:29:23,680
oxygen so was the oxygen as same as it

1760
01:29:28,710 --> 01:29:25,750
was let's say when you were outside of

1761
01:29:30,210 --> 01:29:28,720
the craft and I'm not sure about that

1762
01:29:31,970 --> 01:29:30,220
let me just answer that question first

1763
01:29:34,860 --> 01:29:31,980
you know the feeling of suffocation

1764
01:29:36,450 --> 01:29:34,870
could have been due to the injury of

1765
01:29:42,630 --> 01:29:36,460
being struck by that blast of energy

1766
01:29:44,430 --> 01:29:42,640
that alone could explain it or the

1767
01:29:46,350 --> 01:29:44,440
atmosphere in there was not quite

1768
01:29:49,440 --> 01:29:46,360
correct for humans it's one of the other

1769
01:29:51,810 --> 01:29:49,450
you know and how would I love it and the

1770
01:29:55,950 --> 01:29:51,820
second question I wanted to ask you is

1771
01:29:57,810 --> 01:29:55,960
this and please bear with me what makes

1772
01:30:00,320 --> 01:29:57,820
us think they're from outer space or

1773
01:30:02,870 --> 01:30:00,330
from another planet what if their acts

1774
01:30:04,550 --> 01:30:02,880
we hear somewhere on earth and now that

1775
01:30:09,980 --> 01:30:04,560
and the question that when he asked you

1776
01:30:14,900 --> 01:30:09,990
was they look like us well some of them

1777
01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:14,910
did but wait you know some people have

1778
01:30:18,710 --> 01:30:16,530
said well maybe they didn't come from

1779
01:30:21,950 --> 01:30:18,720
another planet maybe they come from our

1780
01:30:25,100 --> 01:30:21,960
past or our future you know well so let

1781
01:30:28,940 --> 01:30:25,110
me you so so I was like we were talking

1782
01:30:31,180 --> 01:30:28,950
earlier you know you can grab explain

1783
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:31,190
everything you see with this other

1784
01:30:35,750 --> 01:30:33,810
explanation but you have to have a

1785
01:30:38,810 --> 01:30:35,760
justification to prefer that one over

1786
01:30:40,370 --> 01:30:38,820
the current understanding and Travis the

1787
01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:40,380
last question I wanted to ask you

1788
01:30:44,690 --> 01:30:41,970
because there are some questions that I

1789
01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:44,700
want to I'm trying to is there a female

1790
01:30:52,340 --> 01:30:49,530
and a male if they look like us well I

1791
01:30:55,730 --> 01:30:52,350
think the human looking ones before

1792
01:30:57,890 --> 01:30:55,740
probably chosen or perhaps even created

1793
01:31:01,280 --> 01:30:57,900
simulated I don't know just because I

1794
01:31:03,320 --> 01:31:01,290
was so combative with the the ones that

1795
01:31:09,710 --> 01:31:03,330
were non-human that I was not going to

1796
01:31:12,530 --> 01:31:09,720
cooperate and mmin to die and so I would

1797
01:31:15,260 --> 01:31:12,540
trust more than them and whether it's

1798
01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:15,270
another species that looks like us or

1799
01:31:18,890 --> 01:31:17,010
they created something that would just

1800
01:31:21,710 --> 01:31:18,900
inspire confidence in me

1801
01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:21,720
I don't know but okay Rob you gotta like

1802
01:31:27,110 --> 01:31:23,970
you gotta let Travis finish talking okay

1803
01:31:29,180 --> 01:31:27,120
okay I'm sorry okay but the humanoids

1804
01:31:30,440 --> 01:31:29,190
were very good to you right they didn't

1805
01:31:34,820 --> 01:31:30,450
hurt you today

1806
01:31:37,220 --> 01:31:34,830
well let's define the word humanoid a

1807
01:31:39,220 --> 01:31:37,230
humanoid is something with two arms two

1808
01:31:43,010 --> 01:31:39,230
legs a head on top eyes in the front

1809
01:31:45,470 --> 01:31:43,020
human looking being is you know could

1810
01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:45,480
pass on a crowd even the greys are

1811
01:31:52,430 --> 01:31:51,090
humanoid Bigfoot is humanoid that's the

1812
01:31:54,890 --> 01:31:52,440
goal description still a man-like

1813
01:31:56,600 --> 01:31:54,900
creature you know Hollywood you know any

1814
01:31:58,940 --> 01:31:56,610
any of the monsters most of the monsters

1815
01:32:02,150 --> 01:31:58,950
in Hollywood or could be a man in a suit

1816
01:32:04,850 --> 01:32:02,160
and those are all humanoid because the

1817
01:32:08,990 --> 01:32:04,860
general outline of the being is kind of

1818
01:32:11,900 --> 01:32:09,000
like human yeah Rob before I let you go

1819
01:32:13,500 --> 01:32:11,910
why are you asking these questions so

1820
01:32:18,630 --> 01:32:13,510
specifically have you made

1821
01:32:21,480 --> 01:32:18,640
contact yourself God you know Jim I

1822
01:32:24,630 --> 01:32:21,490
called you once about a crap that I seen

1823
01:32:30,120 --> 01:32:24,640
and I really what I see was it was

1824
01:32:32,850 --> 01:32:30,130
phenomenal and yes I have um and you

1825
01:32:34,710 --> 01:32:32,860
know I was I'm an engineer I also work

1826
01:32:37,320 --> 01:32:34,720
for the government and I worked in

1827
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:37,330
Chicago and I was told not to say much

1828
01:32:42,390 --> 01:32:39,610
of anything because if you do it may

1829
01:32:46,650 --> 01:32:42,400
backfire but here's what I see now

1830
01:32:48,360 --> 01:32:46,660
Travis you as I recall years ago I was

1831
01:32:51,710 --> 01:32:48,370
listening to you and I think you said

1832
01:32:54,360 --> 01:32:51,720
you saw a screen inside the ship like a

1833
01:32:54,930 --> 01:32:54,370
viewing screen and my correct or am I

1834
01:32:57,540 --> 01:32:54,940
wrong

1835
01:33:00,090 --> 01:32:57,550
well that's an analogy but basically I

1836
01:33:03,150 --> 01:33:00,100
think it was either the using the entire

1837
01:33:06,990 --> 01:33:03,160
surface of the interior of this one room

1838
01:33:09,450 --> 01:33:07,000
as a screen or there was some technology

1839
01:33:11,780 --> 01:33:09,460
that allowed the surroundings to be

1840
01:33:14,580 --> 01:33:11,790
viewed through the walls of the craft

1841
01:33:16,440 --> 01:33:14,590
well I never you know this is the honest

1842
01:33:18,390 --> 01:33:16,450
truth believe me or not but I am telling

1843
01:33:20,610 --> 01:33:18,400
you the truth because I do take drug

1844
01:33:23,100 --> 01:33:20,620
testing every two months of my job they

1845
01:33:25,800 --> 01:33:23,110
for drugs and what have you so I do get

1846
01:33:28,140 --> 01:33:25,810
tested and I don't drink alcohol I don't

1847
01:33:32,610 --> 01:33:28,150
take drugs or what-have-you but I will

1848
01:33:37,170 --> 01:33:32,620
tell you this when I went up when I seen

1849
01:33:38,790 --> 01:33:37,180
at this craft I also saw a ring like if

1850
01:33:42,660 --> 01:33:38,800
you're going to a movie theater but a

1851
01:33:47,400 --> 01:33:42,670
very big screen in the ear of a woman

1852
01:33:51,450 --> 01:33:47,410
looking at me and a clothing were very

1853
01:33:54,180 --> 01:33:51,460
very how do I say Roman ish like from

1854
01:33:56,900 --> 01:33:54,190
Rome you know back in those days and I

1855
01:34:00,090 --> 01:33:56,910
went to the Art Institute to try to

1856
01:34:02,310 --> 01:34:00,100
define what kind of century it was of

1857
01:34:06,120 --> 01:34:02,320
the way she was dressed but I noticed

1858
01:34:08,310 --> 01:34:06,130
that she was she she looked like us and

1859
01:34:10,830 --> 01:34:08,320
that's the reason why I'm asking you if

1860
01:34:13,290 --> 01:34:10,840
they were as human looking thank you for

1861
01:34:18,420 --> 01:34:13,300
taking my call yeah absolutely Rob and

1862
01:34:23,250 --> 01:34:18,430
and and thank you for that the that part

1863
01:34:25,180 --> 01:34:23,260
of it Travis I've got I actually cleared

1864
01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:25,190
out the phone lines so I've got

1865
01:34:32,170 --> 01:34:27,770
I can maybe squeeze in one more call 7 4

1866
01:34:38,530 --> 01:34:32,180
7 2 2 a 2 0 5 1 but is is this

1867
01:34:40,810 --> 01:34:38,540
if et is observing this planet no matter

1868
01:34:43,330 --> 01:34:40,820
what the civilization is they certainly

1869
01:34:46,620 --> 01:34:43,340
know all about us we give them enough

1870
01:34:49,240 --> 01:34:46,630
information with our bad radio and TV

1871
01:34:51,640 --> 01:34:49,250
signals going out there but they have

1872
01:34:53,410 --> 01:34:51,650
the opportunity to observe they know our

1873
01:34:56,230 --> 01:34:53,420
history they've been here for a long

1874
01:34:58,570 --> 01:34:56,240
time checking us out and if they're

1875
01:35:00,910 --> 01:34:58,580
gonna come down here and interface with

1876
01:35:03,820 --> 01:35:00,920
us and they're not going to freak us out

1877
01:35:06,580 --> 01:35:03,830
they're gonna send a representation of

1878
01:35:09,700 --> 01:35:06,590
something that we could relate to right

1879
01:35:12,340 --> 01:35:09,710
just as you're describing it would be if

1880
01:35:14,860 --> 01:35:12,350
they have other species that ever happen

1881
01:35:16,840 --> 01:35:14,870
to you know out of the hundreds or maybe

1882
01:35:19,510 --> 01:35:16,850
thousands of species that happen to look

1883
01:35:22,420 --> 01:35:19,520
a whole lot more like us or some people

1884
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:22,430
have the theory that we were seated here

1885
01:35:27,820 --> 01:35:25,010
by a group and that's the reason we look

1886
01:35:29,470 --> 01:35:27,830
like them but whatever reason that

1887
01:35:31,210 --> 01:35:29,480
though that would be the best choice for

1888
01:35:33,940 --> 01:35:31,220
an emissary you know somebody that looks

1889
01:35:36,670 --> 01:35:33,950
like us but see that's our big failing

1890
01:35:39,010 --> 01:35:36,680
you know the aliens see how we treat

1891
01:35:40,780 --> 01:35:39,020
each other and mistreat each other on

1892
01:35:43,720 --> 01:35:40,790
the basis of some really superficial

1893
01:35:48,730 --> 01:35:43,730
differences in appearance and customs

1894
01:35:51,670 --> 01:35:48,740
and whatnot and if we behave like that

1895
01:35:54,330 --> 01:35:51,680
towards each other other humans just on

1896
01:35:57,160 --> 01:35:54,340
the basis of a difference in appearance

1897
01:35:59,260 --> 01:35:57,170
well how do you think they're gonna get

1898
01:36:02,620 --> 01:35:59,270
along walking amongst us you know you

1899
01:36:05,490 --> 01:36:02,630
see greys walking around you would not I

1900
01:36:09,270 --> 01:36:05,500
I know what would happen the the

1901
01:36:11,530 --> 01:36:09,280
conspiracy theories and paranoid

1902
01:36:13,090 --> 01:36:11,540
illusions about what the greys were

1903
01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:13,100
really up to and all this sort of thing

1904
01:36:17,920 --> 01:36:15,890
it's already started as mad fact just

1905
01:36:21,580 --> 01:36:17,930
the fact that they're telepathic makes

1906
01:36:24,670 --> 01:36:21,590
them not use facial expression and a lot

1907
01:36:27,610 --> 01:36:24,680
of people just duh you know they call

1908
01:36:29,320 --> 01:36:27,620
these people the greys robotic they've

1909
01:36:32,490 --> 01:36:29,330
lost touch with in the ocean and they

1910
01:36:36,040 --> 01:36:32,500
can't feel anymore no when you become

1911
01:36:36,500 --> 01:36:36,050
telepathic then you don't need a frown

1912
01:36:41,720 --> 01:36:36,510
or

1913
01:36:43,910 --> 01:36:41,730
anything to add to your expression you

1914
01:36:49,490 --> 01:36:43,920
know the telepathic communication is far

1915
01:36:52,100 --> 01:36:49,500
richer not dead and wooden so already

1916
01:36:55,100 --> 01:36:52,110
we're creating myths about them about

1917
01:36:59,510 --> 01:36:55,110
how they can't feel in their heart

1918
01:37:02,600 --> 01:36:59,520
listen you know machine heads and I

1919
01:37:03,230 --> 01:37:02,610
don't believe that's warranted men in

1920
01:37:13,490 --> 01:37:03,240
black

1921
01:37:17,030 --> 01:37:13,500
two simple questions have you had

1922
01:37:20,960 --> 01:37:17,040
contact with what you feel could be men

1923
01:37:23,240 --> 01:37:20,970
and black and if you haven't do you

1924
01:37:27,560 --> 01:37:23,250
think that the reports of men and black

1925
01:37:30,320 --> 01:37:27,570
are are credible yeah I think they are

1926
01:37:34,550 --> 01:37:30,330
because one of our crew reported seeing

1927
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:34,560
them sitting in a sedan with a

1928
01:37:39,500 --> 01:37:36,570
government license plate watching his

1929
01:37:41,210 --> 01:37:39,510
house you know so you know we had some

1930
01:37:42,650 --> 01:37:41,220
evidence that you know the government

1931
01:37:44,780 --> 01:37:42,660
was monitoring things for a while I

1932
01:37:48,770 --> 01:37:44,790
don't know that they still are but it

1933
01:37:52,310 --> 01:37:48,780
was very curious that there was nothing

1934
01:37:55,010 --> 01:37:52,320
directed my way and you know I'm the the

1935
01:37:58,220 --> 01:37:55,020
center point of this story and yet even

1936
01:38:01,220 --> 01:37:58,230
the debunkers made no attempt to contact

1937
01:38:04,160 --> 01:38:01,230
me directly not one letter not one phone

1938
01:38:08,560 --> 01:38:04,170
number a phone call and and yet you know

1939
01:38:12,650 --> 01:38:08,570
Mike was deluged with such attempt to

1940
01:38:15,260 --> 01:38:12,660
communicate going quote and why why why

1941
01:38:20,180 --> 01:38:15,270
do you think it was not only with class

1942
01:38:24,460 --> 01:38:20,190
but with others that absolutely wanted

1943
01:38:27,200 --> 01:38:24,470
to mess with you mess with you mentally

1944
01:38:30,770 --> 01:38:27,210
physically the biggest threat to their

1945
01:38:33,410 --> 01:38:30,780
ideology that they so dearly held that

1946
01:38:36,470 --> 01:38:33,420
they had ever come along but bottom line

1947
01:38:39,320 --> 01:38:36,480
is every single theory that they threw

1948
01:38:41,090 --> 01:38:39,330
out there was disproved in waste where

1949
01:38:44,120 --> 01:38:41,100
most of them may actually involve

1950
01:38:46,310 --> 01:38:44,130
deception on the part of these so-called

1951
01:38:49,839 --> 01:38:46,320
debunkers they're actually lying in

1952
01:38:54,520 --> 01:38:49,849
order to create a false narrative

1953
01:38:56,679 --> 01:38:54,530
about the falseness of our report you

1954
01:38:58,149 --> 01:38:56,689
know basically trying to claim all sorts

1955
01:38:58,869 --> 01:38:58,159
of things that were disproved by the

1956
01:39:01,359 --> 01:38:58,879
evidence

1957
01:39:04,330 --> 01:39:01,369
you know Oh Travis was out hallucinating

1958
01:39:06,069 --> 01:39:04,340
on drugs right I had blood and urine put

1959
01:39:07,929 --> 01:39:06,079
through the county medical examiner's

1960
01:39:10,419 --> 01:39:07,939
drug screen that's a law enforcement

1961
01:39:13,179 --> 01:39:10,429
entity and yet this this drug

1962
01:39:15,009 --> 01:39:13,189
hallucination theory can still be found

1963
01:39:17,319 --> 01:39:15,019
floating around out there because if you

1964
01:39:19,839 --> 01:39:17,329
really want to disbelieve something you

1965
01:39:25,359 --> 01:39:19,849
don't find a way to justify it how did

1966
01:39:27,189 --> 01:39:25,369
you find the survival instincts too I

1967
01:39:33,069 --> 01:39:27,199
mean because they tried to crack you

1968
01:39:37,000 --> 01:39:33,079
right have you literally tried to you

1969
01:39:39,369 --> 01:39:37,010
know I did some pretty I was brought to

1970
01:39:41,139 --> 01:39:39,379
my knees almost in a way you know I was

1971
01:39:44,560 --> 01:39:41,149
looking for people who would accept me

1972
01:39:45,819 --> 01:39:44,570
I almost got sucked into some cults you

1973
01:39:49,179 --> 01:39:45,829
know you talk about the confusion

1974
01:39:50,859 --> 01:39:49,189
between ufology and religions well there

1975
01:39:53,229 --> 01:39:50,869
were some cults that were turned out to

1976
01:39:59,139 --> 01:39:53,239
be quite dangerous that tried to get me

1977
01:40:03,609 --> 01:39:59,149
and going and like I kind of want to end

1978
01:40:06,580 --> 01:40:03,619
on this because of your experience over

1979
01:40:13,330 --> 01:40:06,590
the last 45 years

1980
01:40:16,449 --> 01:40:13,340
is this the infiltration of ethology you

1981
01:40:22,779 --> 01:40:16,459
know the richard Dodi's of the world and

1982
01:40:25,989 --> 01:40:22,789
that nefarious dark side of what may be

1983
01:40:27,849 --> 01:40:25,999
happening is that something that we need

1984
01:40:31,649 --> 01:40:27,859
to be concerned with and have you

1985
01:40:34,359 --> 01:40:31,659
experienced that where you have raised

1986
01:40:37,929 --> 01:40:34,369
an eyebrow looking at somebody and

1987
01:40:40,389 --> 01:40:37,939
wondering if they were you know not only

1988
01:40:43,899 --> 01:40:40,399
part of the government but to spread

1989
01:40:46,060 --> 01:40:43,909
this info well yeah I believe that's

1990
01:40:50,709 --> 01:40:46,070
certainly very possible that such a

1991
01:40:53,109 --> 01:40:50,719
thing has happened and maybe a lot of

1992
01:40:54,339 --> 01:40:53,119
this stuff strongly resembles that and

1993
01:40:59,020 --> 01:40:54,349
here's the deal

1994
01:41:03,040 --> 01:40:59,030
in many cases I comes down to this I say

1995
01:41:03,580 --> 01:41:03,050
to them how do you know this it seems

1996
01:41:06,939 --> 01:41:03,590
like a very

1997
01:41:09,640 --> 01:41:06,949
simple question and say what verifiable

1998
01:41:12,100 --> 01:41:09,650
facts can you point me to where I'll be

1999
01:41:14,320 --> 01:41:12,110
a certain of that as you are and that's

2000
01:41:16,689 --> 01:41:14,330
where they stutter and stammer and can't

2001
01:41:19,959 --> 01:41:16,699
really answer and and it comes down to

2002
01:41:22,870 --> 01:41:19,969
that the people who are trying to spread

2003
01:41:26,709 --> 01:41:22,880
false ideas can't back it up it all

2004
01:41:29,770 --> 01:41:26,719
comes down to facts and reasoning are

2005
01:41:32,050 --> 01:41:29,780
your facts true and complete and as your

2006
01:41:34,120 --> 01:41:32,060
reasoning valid according to basic

2007
01:41:36,640 --> 01:41:34,130
principles of logic that have been in

2008
01:41:38,470 --> 01:41:36,650
existence for hundreds of years one last

2009
01:41:41,320 --> 01:41:38,480
phone call hi you're live on fade to

2010
01:41:45,520 --> 01:41:41,330
black who's calling hey Jimmy it's good

2011
01:41:48,760 --> 01:41:45,530
hey Scott say hi to Travis hi Travis hey

2012
01:41:50,140 --> 01:41:48,770
Scott got a question for you and I've

2013
01:41:52,240 --> 01:41:50,150
always wanted to ask you this and every

2014
01:41:56,020 --> 01:41:52,250
time I see I just forget about to ask

2015
01:41:59,320 --> 01:41:56,030
you when you were on that ship and you

2016
01:42:01,330 --> 01:41:59,330
woke up what details did you see did you

2017
01:42:03,910 --> 01:42:01,340
see textures I mean did you see patterns

2018
01:42:05,609 --> 01:42:03,920
on the floor I mean on the walls on the

2019
01:42:07,660 --> 01:42:05,619
ceiling did you see anything that was

2020
01:42:10,990 --> 01:42:07,670
detail enough where you could look at

2021
01:42:13,859 --> 01:42:11,000
like screens or any type of metal I mean

2022
01:42:17,020 --> 01:42:13,869
was it all just clear oh yeah yeah yeah

2023
01:42:20,649 --> 01:42:17,030
as best I could describe those surfaces

2024
01:42:22,810 --> 01:42:20,659
and in my book but you know it was not

2025
01:42:25,959 --> 01:42:22,820
really all that significant to go into

2026
01:42:28,540 --> 01:42:25,969
here but you know nothing that you could

2027
01:42:30,970 --> 01:42:28,550
say aha that is definitely an alien

2028
01:42:35,140 --> 01:42:30,980
texture or that's definitely a human

2029
01:42:39,760 --> 01:42:35,150
earth source tech you know I couldn't

2030
01:42:41,859 --> 01:42:39,770
say one way the other one yeah and Scott

2031
01:42:46,120 --> 01:42:41,869
thank you for the phone call and the

2032
01:42:50,080 --> 01:42:46,130
question and and absolutely and that's a

2033
01:42:51,939 --> 01:42:50,090
question that I'm sure you get asked

2034
01:42:53,919 --> 01:42:51,949
nearly every single day right there's no

2035
01:42:57,070 --> 01:42:53,929
question about it but it's it's it's

2036
01:42:59,709 --> 01:42:57,080
what people wonder about you know that's

2037
01:43:02,640 --> 01:42:59,719
it when you're on the ship when you woke

2038
01:43:05,680 --> 01:43:02,650
up I mean that's the leading question

2039
01:43:07,629 --> 01:43:05,690
yeah well I go what they say what was

2040
01:43:10,629 --> 01:43:07,639
that like and I describe it as best I

2041
01:43:14,859 --> 01:43:10,639
can but you know I don't think that the

2042
01:43:17,430 --> 01:43:14,869
description is really so outside of

2043
01:43:19,500 --> 01:43:17,440
anything recognizable

2044
01:43:21,810 --> 01:43:19,510
that they're gonna that I'm going to be

2045
01:43:23,939 --> 01:43:21,820
able you know create for them a visual

2046
01:43:25,950 --> 01:43:23,949
image of something that you just

2047
01:43:27,620 --> 01:43:25,960
couldn't imagine you know it's it

2048
01:43:31,290 --> 01:43:27,630
they're all just you know

2049
01:43:35,430 --> 01:43:31,300
did I hear a guitar are you yeah you

2050
01:43:37,890 --> 01:43:35,440
have you talking about

2051
01:43:39,900 --> 01:43:37,900
okay before I let you go the question

2052
01:43:45,390 --> 01:43:39,910
that's on everybody's mind there's been

2053
01:43:49,020 --> 01:43:45,400
some chatter the possibility of a remake

2054
01:43:52,439 --> 01:43:49,030
or another version of fire in the sky

2055
01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:52,449
any truth to these rumors yes there's

2056
01:43:56,640 --> 01:43:54,610
quite a bit of truth to these rumors and

2057
01:44:01,860 --> 01:43:56,650
there's actually a number of entities

2058
01:44:05,729 --> 01:44:01,870
that are interested and it's all up in

2059
01:44:07,979 --> 01:44:05,739
the air okay so to coin a phrase well

2060
01:44:11,870 --> 01:44:07,989
right on for that and where are we gonna

2061
01:44:15,180 --> 01:44:11,880
see you next well I'm just gonna be at

2062
01:44:19,110 --> 01:44:15,190
phoenix MUFON in December December 7th

2063
01:44:20,870 --> 01:44:19,120
that's my next thing okay then you know

2064
01:44:26,070 --> 01:44:20,880
the season kind of slows down during

2065
01:44:28,410 --> 01:44:26,080
winter and then 2020 are you you're

2066
01:44:30,600 --> 01:44:28,420
going to be out there all year yeah yeah

2067
01:44:32,310 --> 01:44:30,610
I got lots of stuff lined up and a lot

2068
01:44:37,470 --> 01:44:32,320
of invitations but to which I haven't

2069
01:44:41,189 --> 01:44:37,480
replied so the place to check it out is

2070
01:44:46,800 --> 01:44:41,199
at Travis Walton calm my web site try to

2071
01:44:48,810 --> 01:44:46,810
keep my schedule oh yeah we've got the

2072
01:44:52,979 --> 01:44:48,820
links right there to Richard's radio.com

2073
01:44:54,180 --> 01:44:52,989
it's Travis - Walton dot-com but we've

2074
01:44:55,080 --> 01:44:54,190
got the links right there - miniature

2075
01:44:57,570 --> 01:44:55,090
radio com

2076
01:44:59,250 --> 01:44:57,580
Travis great conversation tonight thank

2077
01:45:03,510 --> 01:44:59,260
you for hanging out with this audience

2078
01:45:06,060 --> 01:45:03,520
and again for everything that you have

2079
01:45:09,209 --> 01:45:06,070
done for for myself personally and this

2080
01:45:11,550 --> 01:45:09,219
community we all thank you thank you

2081
01:45:13,320 --> 01:45:11,560
Travis oh thank you thanks for having me

2082
01:45:14,400 --> 01:45:13,330
you know there's dozens of documentaries

2083
01:45:17,790 --> 01:45:14,410
out there some of them are quite

2084
01:45:18,750 --> 01:45:17,800
exceptional and of course my book you

2085
01:45:19,140 --> 01:45:18,760
know you can order that through my

2086
01:45:21,810 --> 01:45:19,150
website

2087
01:45:25,860 --> 01:45:21,820
yeah and and

2088
01:45:28,110 --> 01:45:25,870
Jennifer's documentary to this day was

2089
01:45:31,770 --> 01:45:28,120
so well done and being able to pull

2090
01:45:33,690 --> 01:45:31,780
everybody together it's it's just

2091
01:45:35,990 --> 01:45:33,700
tremendous and and yeah an

2092
01:45:38,550 --> 01:45:36,000
hour-and-a-half very exceptional

2093
01:45:44,700 --> 01:45:38,560
interviewing everybody all of the crew

2094
01:45:46,050 --> 01:45:44,710
the sheriff actors a lot of them you

2095
01:45:49,200 --> 01:45:46,060
know just a whole lot of detail that

2096
01:45:52,140 --> 01:45:49,210
nobody else had know and to see it you

2097
01:45:54,690 --> 01:45:52,150
know finally you know all compiled but

2098
01:45:56,070 --> 01:45:54,700
it's it's the way that her direction and

2099
01:45:58,650 --> 01:45:56,080
the way that it was put together it's

2100
01:45:59,310 --> 01:45:58,660
one of the best documentaries out there

2101
01:46:02,430 --> 01:45:59,320
period

2102
01:46:04,140 --> 01:46:02,440
so she was lucky that she was doing the

2103
01:46:06,300 --> 01:46:04,150
thinking and didn't have anybody pulling

2104
01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:06,310
her strings and it turned out very very

2105
01:46:10,830 --> 01:46:08,890
exceptional gender for stein and that's

2106
01:46:12,330 --> 01:46:10,840
what you get right you just hand it off

2107
01:46:16,080 --> 01:46:12,340
and let her do her thing

2108
01:46:18,240 --> 01:46:16,090
oh yeah yeah absolutely it's the

2109
01:46:20,600 --> 01:46:18,250
Travis's ronita I would never name it

2110
01:46:22,800 --> 01:46:20,610
myself but she deal I'll give her that

2111
01:46:25,020 --> 01:46:22,810
Travis is the name of the documentary

2112
01:46:28,560 --> 01:46:25,030
and it's on wings productions you can

2113
01:46:30,390 --> 01:46:28,570
order her thank you so much Travis enjoy

2114
01:46:34,200 --> 01:46:30,400
the rest of your night go and play some

2115
01:46:37,680 --> 01:46:34,210
guitar all right Thank You Travis

2116
01:46:39,990 --> 01:46:37,690
yeah Travis Walton what a great

2117
01:46:42,450 --> 01:46:40,000
conversation and again the links over

2118
01:46:44,820 --> 01:46:42,460
Travis's site Travis Walton comma right

2119
01:46:46,640 --> 01:46:44,830
there to me Church radio.com his book

2120
01:46:49,860 --> 01:46:46,650
and certainly Jennifer Stein's

2121
01:46:52,500 --> 01:46:49,870
documentary Travis is a tremendous

2122
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:52,510
viewing and highly recommended this is

2123
01:46:56,460 --> 01:46:54,010
fade to black i'm your host jimmy church

2124
01:46:56,910 --> 01:46:56,470
i'm gonna swing back after this short